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Old 24th Aug 2018, 03:49
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We(who pay taxes) are being charged for Medicare, who in their right mind would turn down reimbursement for something we must pay for by rule of law? It doesn't make sense to deny taking compensation that is paid for with our very taxes. I'm not sure what your point is, but if Medicare was an optional payment, that we could opt out of, I guess I could see your point. But - it isn't an opt out program. So - should I be in the position to need it I will of course, avail myself as well. To not take advantage of a taxed service is nuts.

edit; Hey, guess what? Just about the time I may actually NEED Medicare - it's going to go broke!

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...605-story.html

Maybe Medicare isn't the savior that one should hang their argument on?
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 04:07
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I am surprised Chuks

Chuks, I am surprised to read that you find Trump to be back on his heels at the moment. Granted my opinion is exceedingly humble, but I find him still going strong. After the news on Tuesday of Manafort's and Cohen's contretemps, his media machine quickly filled in the gaps. Mere bagatelles these were and the Prez was so far removed from them, so the narritive, that he might as well have been in another galaxy.

No, Trump is, if anything, emboldened. He now spews forth in a full-throated argot of the mob. Can he pack any more of the mafia language into his sentences? Now when he says that " flipping"should be illegal, everyone from U.S. Senators to his base across the nation feel a quiver of excitement and camaraderie as he advocates for personal loyalty above the legal option that many defendents face.

This mafia laden rhetoric is his performance art. In a sick way both he and his audience delight in pushing aside the underpinnings of American stability. He enjoys watching his base play the obsequious lick-spittle to him, while the base in turn enjoys watching him destroy just to destroy. It has become a virtuous circle.

No, he is stronger than ever. Tuesday was a mere scatch (if that) and he is, to borrow one of your American sporting metaphors, running in the open field.

Look to see his behavoir and speech become even more out of line as he taunts his foes with the most outrageous suggestions--suggestions that he knows his allies will immediately lend their support to no matter what.

Jerry Falwell Jr. stated this last week that Trump is exactly the kind of President the Founding Fathers would like to see in the office. Seriously, you cannot make this stuff up. I will search for the link should no one believe this, but I think that such craven outpourings are so common now that they need no link.

He is on a roll. I see nothing to slow it.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 05:46
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
OK, I'm not tied to an ideology. There are a few things that can be socialized successfully. Now tell me - how are you going to solve the equal taxation requirement of the constitution? Or, should we just forget about that little issue? I pay a lot of money every month to a company for health care, and I'm not happy about it. The alternative is to take the same money from me, and give it to the fedguv, and they will then provide a path to health care, and it will be similar care, with similar results.

I'm guessing here - you are not a US service veteran are you? Maybe you've heard of the VA? About 12 years ago, I was between jobs, and found a cyst on my back, near my spine. So what did I do, but go to the VA clinic. I was given a consult card, and filled out the papers, and sent them in and they gave me a notification of pending service. It was kind of funny, a few weeks later I got another good job, with paid health care, had it taken care of. 2 years after that, I got the response from the VA, that they could see me on a Tuesday, from 2-5PM, but it was no guarantee of complete service. I can only imagine what the fedguv would do with trillions in medical taxes. Because, one thing I can be sure of - very little would be spent making people healthy. Every strictly 'discrete' program the fedguv has ever started has been raided for other things. Medical care would be no different.
I'm sorry you had that experience. I can only point you to all studies of global health care that show your money would be spent far better in pretty much any country other than the USA. If you choose to ignore the better health outcomes for less money in the rest of the developed world, well, there are none so blind as those that cannot see.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 06:04
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Just for the record, Winemaker, which winery?
Since I‘m just up the road in Pasco, I will be happy to drop in, sample the product, and report back here!

No I am not the old SOB to whom you refer, though I could have been.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 10:58
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West Coast, Trump's win was a freak event.

What you describe is partly how it came to pass, with Clinton as a poor choice for candidate running a misjudged campaign, when I agree with what you describe. That has nothing to do, however, with what it brought about, certainly a freak event: Trump, a grossly unsuitable man, becoming our 45th President, when even many of his confederates were promising us ways to cope with his unsuitability.

Nothing worked as promised to restrain Trump from being, well, Trump: a jerk unsuitable for high office. Yes, the so-called elite is very unhappy, and such as West Coast are made happy by seeing that unhappiness, but what of the damage to America? Where is the patriotism?
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 13:09
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Link to Armstrong Economics commentary, make of it what you will:

http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=6pC...RPlgMMY4SRq6hQ
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 13:19
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Nothing worked as promised to restrain Trump from being, well, Trump: a jerk unsuitable for high office. Yes, the so-called elite is very unhappy, and such as West Coast are made happy by seeing that unhappiness, but what of the damage to America? Where is the patriotism?
True, but the question you left needs answering

I don't see it as answered against a single word "patriotism"

The answer first must come form within such as "what's in it for us? against a status quo. That's why he was elected and when we tire of that he's history.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 13:59
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Link to Armstrong Economics commentary, make of it what you will:

http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=6pC...RPlgMMY4SRq6hQ
Martin Arthur Armstrong is an economic forecaster who uses his own computer model based on pi. In 1999 Armstrong was charged with fraud by the SEC and the CFTC. Armstrong was imprisoned for eleven years on contempt of court and fraud charges.

Are you saying it takes one to know one?
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 16:15
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Originally Posted by neila83 View Post
I'm sorry you had that experience. I can only point you to all studies of global health care that show your money would be spent far better in pretty much any country other than the USA. If you choose to ignore the better health outcomes for less money in the rest of the developed world, well, there are none so blind as those that cannot see.
It's funny. Socialism being sold as a solution to so many things that are wrong with the US capital system. And yet - everywhere socialism is tried, it keeps failing. We hear - 'if only you would change and do it this way...'. The facts are, that Canadian socialized medicine isn't working. No matter the cost, if it depends on outcomes, Canadians increasingly come to the US for advanced care.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/canadia...are-1514410218

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0db570d3778ff

Please note - that's the WSJ, USNWR, and HuffPo. Broad spectrum showing that as Canada goes under the socialist knife, people are leaving in droves for health care in other places. Many to the US. On the pharmaceutical front, the US designs, tests, and introduces more new drugs for people than all the other countries in the world combined. Why didn't Canada come up with - well, any new pharma products in the past 10 years? What for? If there was no profit in it, why spend the money?

Sorry, but y'all are complaining about the least-best means of health care and replacing it with something bigger, more costly, and worse outcomes. We do need reform of some health care in the US, but it's got nothing to do with adding more govt. Couple things I would like to see. Interstate competition of health insurance. International insurance offered in the US. Published quarterly ratings for MDs and hospitals. Reduction of Medicare, and elimination of part D for drugs. All the medicare has done is cause drug costs to rise, just like the idiotic govt guaranteed college tuition loan system.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 17:08
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Except that in most countries in the civilised world it actually costs less, but then what's one more lie amongst so many?

Meanwhile even Dirty Donald's fave Faux News is finding him too much to stomache:


The ships are leaving the sinking rat...

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Old 24th Aug 2018, 17:20
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US Healthcare is without equal.

It is more available and deliverable than anywhere on the planet. Emergent Care, Hospitals, professionals. Essentially dead people can be loaded into a European Helicopter and be on the table with the best surgeons, anesthetists, specialists, etc. within an hour, and survive.
The problem is elsewhere. Corporate greed, stooge politicians, and the FED. Provide it as if it was water. A resource not for profit. But let’s watch the politicians.

<<<<<<>>>>>>

So Trump paid off his encounters through Cohen?

If Clinton had paid off Paula Jones, he wouldn't have been impeached. Trump may be crude, but he ain’t cheap.

Paula ended up costing him 800 grand and his law license. Oh, and a perjury conviction.

But Trump is a liar. Impeach now, I want the snack concession.



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Old 24th Aug 2018, 18:08
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When I'm sitting in my easy chair, grumbling about the cost of my health care, everything costs too much. When I'm stretched out on the gurney, and they are rolling me into surgery, I have no care what the sugeon is getting paid, just that he will do good work. Turning over health care to the 'lowest cost' alternative doesn't really sound like a great plan, unless we never have to use the services of course.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 19:06
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
When I'm sitting in my easy chair, grumbling about the cost of my health care, everything costs too much. When I'm stretched out on the gurney, and they are rolling me into surgery, I have no care what the sugeon is getting paid, just that he will do good work. Turning over health care to the 'lowest cost' alternative doesn't really sound like a great plan, unless we never have to use the services of course.
. That is the foundation of my plan. “One size fits all” is the anthem of the Statist, all are “equal”. Equality is everything, and nothing. Get ideology out of Medicine, completely. It is strictly economics, and listening to Pelosi or McConnell is the death knell of quality care.

There are people who get sick and have no resources. The very wealthy get sick too, and have resources. In the middle are people who can afford healthcare, but grumble. Grumbling is good, good policy seldom comes from fat and happy.

We have MedicAid (MediCal, here) and Medicare. You would think there would not be a problem. But there is, and it is a political problem.

Politics is founded on fear or greed, your choice.

Keep Medicine out of Congress, treat the delivery of Medical care as the provision of sound social policy, not politics.

Self employed all my life, so I self insure or pay the Corporation to cover his risk. I have had excellent Medical Care, all my life. I think Kaiser has a good model, and have used them with good results.

Make Medical Care off limits to politicians, but it won’t be easy. Health is a weapon for the Fed, not a policy.


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Old 24th Aug 2018, 19:30
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Trump is Trump, he will never change, however being shaken down by two prostitutes...
An easy mistake to make. One is an "Adult Actress" and sometime stripper, the other one is a nude model for Playboy. Just for future reference, a prostitute is somebody who fu*ks people for personal financial gain. Of the three individuals concerned, only one easily fits into that category.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 20:27
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An easy mistake to make. One is an "Adult Actress" and sometime stripper, the other one is a nude model for Playboy. Just for future reference, a prostitute is somebody who fu*ks people for personal financial gain. Of the three individuals concerned, only one easily fits into that category.
kudos, well put. There is another category. The male with authority who bullies, one who extorts through intimidation or position, and the predator, who frequently uses physical assault or the threat thereof.

That would be Bill Clinton.

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Old 24th Aug 2018, 20:27
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post

We have MedicAid (MediCal, here) and Medicare. You would think there would not be a problem. But there is, and it is a political problem.

Politics is founded on fear or greed, your choice.

Keep Medicine out of Congress, treat the delivery of Medical care as the provision of sound social policy, not politics.

Self employed all my life, so I self insure or pay the Corporation to cover his risk. I have had excellent Medical Care, all my life. I think Kaiser has a good model, and have used them with good results.

Make Medical Care off limits to politicians, but it won’t be easy. Health is a weapon for the Fed, not a policy.
Yes, we have a 'federalist' problem with health care. The minute that congress decided that as a result of being born in, or living in the US one is required by law to pay for health care(somewhere, anywhere), they lost my support. We are literally no longer 'born free'. We are born into a federalist utopia.

In the real world of socialized medicine in the US, the ACA has been an unmitigated disaster. Rates for the lowest tier have skyrocketed. For every one person who's rate has stayed the same or gone down, there are 5-6 payers where the rate has increased. Some of the increases from 2015-2016 have been staggering. But - that is the way it was designed. It was intended to stay in the background until BO was out of office, then it would spring the trap and everyone would get blown up. Insurers are fleeing like rats, the ones that stay are only solvent due to fed subsidies of billions, and yet - the number of medical care givers has declined. It's been the trifecta of failure in policy, rates, and lack of service providers. I know my personal internist absolutely won't have anything to do with ACA. He even refuses to use their mandated electronic records system because the security is a joke. ACA touts all the new enrollments. But the facts of those who are actually paying their premiums are a well hidden secret. I've heard rumors that after 18 months, they have about 15% retention of premium payment. People know that once enrolled, if they go to the emer room, or see a MD they cannot be denied service. So - best of both worlds. Enroll, don't pay the premium, and get medical service. What a plan....
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 20:31
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Interesting that the owner of the National Enquirer (long time source of fiction journalism) turns out to be a good friend of Don's.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 20:38
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
An easy mistake to make. One is an "Adult Actress" and sometime stripper, the other one is a nude model for Playboy. Just for future reference, a prostitute is somebody who fu*ks people for personal financial gain. Of the three individuals concerned, only one easily fits into that category.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but I have met several “models” nude or otherwise whose whole intent in life is to meet, screw and hopefully become the next trophy on the arm of a very wealthy man, that’s f’king for personal gain in my book.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
Martin Arthur Armstrong is an economic forecaster who uses his own computer model based on pi. In 1999 Armstrong was charged with fraud by the SEC and the CFTC. Armstrong was imprisoned for eleven years on contempt of court and fraud charges.

Are you saying it takes one to know one?
Nope, just if you wished to read it, fine if not. Personal choice.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 22:54
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