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Old 4th Aug 2018, 01:12
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
I notice this expression in some of the comments and in American political discourse.

On my flights to the U.S. I have landed in Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, Denver, and perhaps one or two more that are not JFK, LAX, or SEA.

These aerodromes were staggeringly expansive with runways aplenty. This means they must serve a robust population core that is hardly reflective of the desolation implied in the term flyover. Why so?
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 06:51
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Ah Oveur, a picture says a thousand words. Now I get it!
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 13:42
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Oh, Dear!

Appeared in several US news sources today:

NRA: We're in Deep Trouble

Neal Colgrass(Newser) – The NRA is crying foul in its legal battle with New York state and says it may have to close up shop, Rolling Stone reports. Battling New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and the state's financial regulators since May, the NRA blames a state-championed "blacklisting campaign" for draining the organization of "tens of millions of dollars," inflicting "irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm"—and forcing it into a position where it may "be unable to exist." Specifically, the group's recent court filing says New York has pressured financial service providers like banks and insurance companies to abandon the group, per TPM. "Insurance coverage is necessary for the NRA to continue its existence," reads the complaint.

Without it, the "NRA cannot maintain its physical premises, convene off-site meetings and events, operate educational programs … or hold rallies, conventions and assemblies." The NRA filed suit in May after New York stopped the NRA from selling its "Carry Guard" insurance policy, designed to reimburse members' legal costs after firing a legal weapon. New York deemed the policy illegal and fined the NRA's insurance partners $7 million, but the NRA claimed New York wasn't just blocking "Carry Guard"—it was severing the group's ties with financial service providers in general. Meanwhile, the NRA overspent by almost $46 million in 2016. Cuomo has dismissed the NRA's suit as "a futile and desperate attempt to advance its dangerous agenda to sell more guns."
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 18:45
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“...Nobody is denying that things have been getting hotter lately. My back yard is evidence. And most of us accept that some of it is probably a side effect of human activities and industrial change....”

That is exactly what I am saying. A few years ago, NOAA replaced the historical record of temperatures with numbers (values) less than those recorded.... allowing each subsequent (new) temperature to be claimed as “hottest on record...”

Not too difficult to claim “hottest day on record” when the record has been reduced to accomodate “new (false) records”.

Why would you rollover for new taxes and scams? This falsification of the temperatures was done in plain sight, and announced as “updating” our records....Concurrently, the GISS graph of annuals was terminated. It showed clearly the lack of increase in GMT, even with the steady increase in CO2.

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Old 4th Aug 2018, 20:19
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“Mann stopped the use of the tree data, and replaced it with manufactured data of his own.”

That’s great; you have posted an opinion about Mann however it’s a pointless argument unless you can provide a link to your source of information. Which respected recognized scientific body has published an article refuting the data used in Mann’s studies.

And lets not pretend that the link provided by Ethecialconundrum passes for genuine research.

NASA?
NOAA?
CSIRO?
EPA?
Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society?
Rutgers University Global Snow Lab?
Journal of Climate?
National Research Council?
U.S. Geological Survey, Climate Change Science Program?
US Department of defense?
National Science Foundation?
American Geophysical Union?
American Meteorological society?
University of Chicago?
American Association for the Advancement of Science?
Arctic Climate Impact Assessment?
National Snow and Ice Data Center?
Nicholas School of Environmental and Earth Sciences?

But the Koch brothers are making nothing out of pushing the conspiracy point of view?

“It’s incumbent upon Mann to prove the accuracy of his theory.”

Which he has done.

“Our economy is going great, nearly full employment”

The economy is always going great, right up until the point where it falls off a cliff, which is just around the corner. And it’s a big cliff too.

“Nobody is denying that things have been getting hotter lately. My back yard is evidence. And most of us accept that some of it is probably a side effect of human activities and industrial change. The debate really is what to do about it all.”

Precisely, OB has hit the nail on the head. And the question of “what to do about it”, or more precisely the question of “who is going to pay for this” is what muddies the water and diverts attention from the first part of the equation.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 21:45
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OB has hit the nail on the head. And the question of “what to do about it”, or more precisely the question of “who is going to pay for this” is what muddies the water and diverts attention from the first part of the equation
Don't twist my argument. There's no muddy watering here.

I'm accepting that it's hot these days. I don't know if that is a short term or a long term issue. With no scientific evidence to support me, I think paving most of the Phoenix area with asphalt has likely aggravated things there.

But I'm not going to suggest that we should tear up our highways, revert to traveling on horseback, or give up the other amenities of modern living, because there is little evidence that doing so will make a significant change.

As for who will pay for it, well we all know that answer. We'll label some groups as the culprits, and swipe their cash, transferring it to our favored ones. Who cares if that plan actually changes the temperature.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 22:11
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Don't twist my argument. There's no muddy watering here.

I'm accepting that it's hot these days. I don't know if that is a short term or a long term issue. With no scientific evidence to support me, I think paving most of the Phoenix area with asphalt has likely aggravated things there.

But I'm not going to suggest that we should tear up our highways, revert to traveling on horseback, or give up the other amenities of modern living, because there is little evidence that doing so will make a significant change.

As for who will pay for it, well we all know that answer. We'll label some groups as the culprits, and swipe their cash, transferring it to our favored ones. Who cares if that plan actually changes the temperature.
As you all have probably noticed with the mid term elections coming up, the agw crowd are dropping articles in the msn to help get out the special interest groups.

Sad.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 22:45
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Orange,
"it’s a pointless argument unless you can provide a link to your source of information " This is exactly from the Trump playbook. Just claim something (a single example of many:"US Steel is building six new plants" etc, whithout telling the attendends of his rallys where and btw US Steels denies any plans) and his followers gobble up the words of dear leader like gospel.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 22:48
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post

When just about every grocery chain sells beer and wine, yes you do need ID to purchase those items.
No big deal.
My mothertongue is not english but as far as I know 'groceries' do not include alcohol beverages. (may be for some)
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 23:49
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My mothertongue is not english but as far as I know 'groceries' do not include alcohol beverages. (may be for some)
Well then may I suggest you walk into any “grocery store” and you will see beer, wines, etc., in open display for sale, right along with the meat and veggies.
You buy beer, wine, spirits, cigarettes, you have to produce a valid photo ID, it’s the law, even here in the smokey, socialist state of CA.

Why does it matter, pretty much always been that way, or have you contracted TDS? If so, take two aspirin, watch a couple of hours of Fox News, that should fix it for you.

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Old 5th Aug 2018, 01:05
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Some data for us.

Let me make it extremely simple for us all.

Global Warming, Climate Change, Anthropogenic Global Warming, etc. is based on a simple theory, which very few people quibble with. CO2 is a “greenhouse gas”, trapping heat from escaping the Earth.

The atmosphere is impossibly complex, so the promoters of a Global Warming have distilled the “problem” into a simple premise. Humans burn fuels, fuels produce waste products, one of which is CO2, so let’s make the story about how CO2 , as it proliferates, causes large increase in Global Mean Temperature, which is utterly terrifying, threatening everything that is good, and decent.

By their own data, the Global Mean Temperature increased directly as the partial pressure of CO2 increased, expressed as “parts per million”. 1998 was the last of the increases, since that time, roughly twenty years, Temperatures have stabilized, and some critics claim the Temps have decreased. It is now twenty years on, and no increase in Mean Temperature is observed. Source: NASA GISS Temperature Graph, 1998 To 1918.

BUT, the increase of CO2 has not diminished, it has remained steady. The “direct” relationship, has gone.

I offer an essentially existential claim to the Warms: Your theory is not performing as you claimed, Show us the mechanical and scientific reasons the increase in Temperature and “concomitant” increase in CO2 have separated, utterly, one from the other...

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Old 5th Aug 2018, 01:17
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post
Well then may I suggest you walk into any “grocery store” and you will see beer, wines, etc., in open display for sale, right along with the meat and veggies.
You buy beer, wine, spirits, cigarettes, you have to produce a valid photo ID, it’s the law, even here in the smokey, socialist state of CA.
I never show a photo ID when purchasing beer or wine, here in CA, whether it's smokey or not. But then, I'm an old git, and the purpose of the ID is to show that you are old enough, not to show that you are a citizen.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 03:31
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“Why does it matter, pretty much always been that way, or have you contracted TDS?”

It doesn’t really matter a huge amount I guess although his lack of understanding about the simple purchase of groceries demonstrates how far removed he is from the common folk that voted for him believing he was on “their side”.

Far from it I would suggest.

“his followers gobble up the words of dear leader like gospel.”

Indeed they do. It proves that modern voting in Amerika is more akin to gang mentality than merely choosing a candidate from a very limited list.

Concourse,

You couldn’t even find a single document from a respectable scientific source to add weight to your assertion? Not even one?

Your complete lack of supporting data is noted but I thank you for your time anyway.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 04:20
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
“Why does it matter, pretty much always been that way, or have you contracted TDS?”

It doesn’t really matter a huge amount I guess although his lack of understanding about the simple purchase of groceries demonstrates how far removed he is from the common folk that voted for him believing he was on “their side”.

Far from it I would suggest.

“his followers gobble up the words of dear leader like gospel.”

Indeed they do. It proves that modern voting in Amerika is more akin to gang mentality than merely choosing a candidate from a very limited list.

Concourse,

You couldn’t even find a single document from a respectable scientific source to add weight to your assertion? Not even one?

Your complete lack of supporting data is noted but I thank you for your time anyway.
Orange,

If any of us had been lucky enough to be born into money, lots of it, then made enough to run around in our own helo and jet, with properties spread across the country, do you honestly think a quick nip down to the local grocers to grab a few burgers and a case of beer or few would be a priority?

Next time I see Bill Gates, Warren Buffet et al, I will ask them the price of a dozen eggs and a gallon of gas.

Never mind, I will answer it for them, they don’t care, and rightly so, because they have employees that stock the various houses they own.

Its a nothing Burger, all bun and no meat.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 04:31
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
I never show a photo ID when purchasing beer or wine, here in CA, whether it's smokey or not. But then, I'm an old git, and the purpose of the ID is to show that you are old enough, not to show that you are a citizen.
As you quite rightly point out, old gits don’t get to show ID, we show our age quite well, it’s the young uns that look like 14 year olds.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 15:22
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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2...ack-the-draft/

Ok, it’s from last year, just came up in my feed.

Interesting topic. Also interesting that the state of Alabama sends more folks to the military than the combined population of NYC, LA and Chicago.

Interesting, perhaps rural America is more patriotic than the big city folk. Another thought, a stint in the military would do more to raise the most vulnerable in those cities out of the cycle of poverty than any local initiative could ever do.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 15:37
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“….do you honestly think a quick nip down to the local grocers to grab a few burgers and a case of beer or few would be a priority?”

No, absolutely not. I would expect the President to have much more important things to do.

The point though, is that so many Americans voted for Trump because they thought he was on their side, that he understood their pain and identified with the plight of the declining middle class.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Remind me again where those MAGA hats and shirts were made?
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
“….do you honestly think a quick nip down to the local grocers to grab a few burgers and a case of beer or few would be a priority?”

No, absolutely not. I would expect the President to have much more important things to do.

The point though, is that so many Americans voted for Trump because they thought he was on their side, that he understood their pain and identified with the plight of the declining middle class.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Remind me again where those MAGA hats and shirts were made?
Same place I phones, computers, most of WalMarts stock, on and on.
Folks don’t seem to care.

Trump is a businessman, rough around the edges, stretches the truth, women have, maybe still do throw themselves at him (his money), pretty much normal things in NYC.

Personally would rather have that than the lying, cheating, self serving politicians we have had, have now, and no doubt will have again in the future.

Amazing how many retire as millionaires.


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Old 5th Aug 2018, 18:45
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post


Indeed they do. It proves that modern voting in Amerika is more akin to gang mentality than merely choosing a candidate from a very limited list.
This is where I point out that the 'gang mentality' actually chose Clinton, as we have been told so many times. Whereas Trump, in a brilliant campaign directed that he win the electoral vote - from which the president is chosen. So - good work 'gang mentality' in choosing Clinton. Only bettered by the more logical group who campaigned and won the electoral vote.

Pants-suit + law degree <> smart
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 19:47
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It proves that modern voting in Amerika is more akin to gang mentality than merely choosing a candidate from a very limited list.
Limited list, SYD? Surely you jest. Or maybe just don't understand what goes on.

Yesterday I completed my ballot for next week's primary election in my state. My state has an "all-mail-in" process now, no polling stations, no machines or anything else that can be hacked with no paper backup for verification. On the primary ballot were several silly things we vote for, like Coroner and County Assessor. Don't get me started on that one.

We also had a primary election for United States Senator. The Democrat incumbent is Maria Cantwell, been there 18 years (30 total as a politician). There are 31 names on the ballot. The ballot specifies only "what party the candidate associates with" with candidates named "GoodSpaceGuy" and Mohammad, and calling their association such like the Human Rights Party, the Freedom Socialist Party, and the StandupAmerica Party. Only the top 2 in the primary, regardless of party, will be on the November ballot. It's almost impossible to find out who the main opponent of the incumbent is, so the voting will be split up among a raft of unknowns.

It makes a mockery of the voting process.
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