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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 15:51
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
It's not "proof," but it's certainly strong evidence that might be used to prove collusion.

You dont think the Brennan/Hayden/Clapper cabal and their lackeys couldnt manufacture, market and maintain this story? Much bigger stories have been concocted before. Tonkin, WMD, Syria, Libya.

.......but you need to get it that it was a grave mistake to put Trump in power

For the sake of womens rights, the environment, the worker, race relations, treatment of immigrants, the Iran deal.......

I agree.

Who leads this deep state, what orders do they have? Who are some of the key players?

Genuine domestic and global power structures are never formalised and are always transnational. Energy, weapons, money. Dollar hegemony. When their imperatives align, it is completely irrelevant who resides in the WH. London, Canberra.....

As much as I think Trump is a con artist and a crook, a self centered, racist, chauvinist, completely ignorant friendless ****, I also see his puppet masters, the real power base behind the naked emperor, as seizing the opportunity to shift the power balance away from the unelected intelligence/military industrial complex and having the temerity to suggest a normalization of relations with Russia will bring Trump undone.

Pee tapes, hookers, bribes, collusion. The deep state are throwing everything at him.




Who are his puppet masters?
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 15:59
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Who are his puppet masters?
Apparently, the "Deep State".
Dictionary.com defines that as: The Deep State is believed to be a clandestine network entrenched inside the government, bureaucracy, intelligence agencies, and other governmental entities.

You know, one of those vast, faceless, nameless, giant conspiracies. Like the "vast right wing conspiracy" that attempted to bring down Clinton.
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 21:01
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Thinking over Mr. Trump's all-caps rant and threats of last evening, one must ask why he did not use emojis? After all, who sends any kind of message these days without seasoning them with the universal signs of emotion?

He is really living in squaresville by just relying on text. Come on Donald, all-caps is SO 1990s. If you want these world leaders to get the message, inject some emojis into your narratives so they can better understand your real emotions.
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 22:31
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
Apparently, the "Deep State".
Dictionary.com defines that as: The Deep State is believed to be a clandestine network entrenched inside the government, bureaucracy, intelligence agencies, and other governmental entities.

You know, one of those vast, faceless, nameless, giant conspiracies. Like the "vast right wing conspiracy" that attempted to bring down Clinton.
At least your taking a swing at it. Ive asked O12 to describe the deep state in greater detail, Im still waiting. Youd think if he knew enough about it to constantly warn about it that hed be able to describe what we should be afraid of.


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Old 24th Jul 2018, 06:15
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Answers to questions not commonly asked ....

"Why does Donald Trump shut his eyes while having sex?"

It's so that he can imagine he's masturbating.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 07:44
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Well, Chuks, if that is the level of discourse you are down to, there's not much any of us can do to help you.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 10:44
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Well excuuuse me!

I love getting a ticking-off from a Trump supporter. It's like that old song about the drunk in the gutter:

Which part of his discourse do you like hearing around the hacienda, OB? "Grab 'em by the pussy" is just so overdone, so how about the brags about the size of the Presidential schwanz, or the size of the Presidential brain (when both are somewhat interchangeable)?

Unlike Trump, OB, Stormy Daniels keeps to professional standards, so that this Trump nugget did not come from her, and certainly not from Sarah the Hutt, Sarah the Near-Virgin. Believe me, though, you can take this business about him always doing it with his eyes closed as fact ... if you want to.

I understand that your average Trump supporter views facts about the same way a vampire would view a cross made of pure garlic; I accept a certain amount of odium from that quarter as merely the cost of doing business. Too, when someone puts in so much effort accepting just one bad joke, Donald Trump, why should he be expected also to accept one of mine?
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:14
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On many occasions, in the press or on tv interviews Donald Trump has referred to his "German immigrant grandfather" who made his fortune in the Klondike gold rush by owning a bawdy house in B.C. All it takes is a quick click of Google to find that the only 'liar' in this instance happens to be you.

My apologies....must have been 'Fake News'?????

What I did see in Helsinki was an American (or rather USA president) side with a tyrant over his intelligence agencies.....THAT I have never seen before

So onto Iran now, presumably to take away the heat from being under Putins's thumb.....Donald seems to be a real master of creating a crisis out of nothing and then claiming he solved it. I suppose at some point the lack of substance gets exposed such that the 'True Believers' even have to concede.

Anyway.....back to the wall along the Mexican border....how is that all getting on??
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 13:00
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My apologies....must have been 'Fake News'?????
Despair not, Fliegen. From the asses mouth itself:


There are those blind fools who will protest that that video is fake news, of course. I guess Pacwest has tried to fool you by giving you the GRANDFATHER's history, which is pretty irrelevant!

PS DON'T ASK ABOUT THE WALL (like the CAPS?)
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 13:50
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Trump will go down as one of the great modern American US presidents. Obama one of the worst, if not the worst.
Hillary as president? Dodged a bullet there!
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 15:08
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
"Why does Donald Trump shut his eyes while having sex?"

It's so that he can imagine he's masturbating.
Having never met you or DT, all I have are your words and on that level both of you are remarkably alike.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 15:31
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Originally Posted by gassed budgie View Post
Trump will go down as one of the great modern American US presidents. Obama one of the worst, if not the worst.
Hillary as president? Dodged a bullet there!
Sorry, but the jokes thread is here.

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Old 24th Jul 2018, 16:40
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Lemme get this straight, the President of the United States communicates a significant message to the leader of another country using TWITTER????

Donald J. [email protected]
To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS! 5:24 AM - Jul 23, 2018


No kiddin', Twitter???? I mean Twitter? Has serious diplomacy come to this?

Say it ain't so, Joe!

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Old 24th Jul 2018, 18:11
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Believe me, Mac, its much worse than that. Ive never been more frightened in my life for my country. Its a surreal nightmare.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 18:13
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So Trump is being too aggressive toward Iran.

But he was too weak against Russia.

Which way do you fellows want it? Which one has been issuing threats?
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Dea Certe View Post
Believe me, Mac, its much worse than that. Ive never been more frightened in my life for my country. Its a surreal nightmare.
Stay in the basement. Keep humming; 'aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm, aaaaahhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm.' Have mommy send all your meals down, and reassure you that - 'there, there honey, things will be ok. Just your rest now, and have some nice warm soup'.

The rest of the nation is doing just fine. We're out working, and playing, and traveling, buying homes, investing in new cars and trucks. Gas prices are stable, no muslim terrorism in a while. Folks are going to water parks, and hiking and visiting the beach. But - y'all stay scared. Best way to go through life - frightened, whining, and victimized. Funny thing is - all this ranting but NO ONE is moving to Canada, Mexico, Caribbean, AU, new Zealand, etc. Better to just stay in your safe-space and cry.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 19:41
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Deep State. Here's a few thoughts, but by no means comprehensive. I could go on for pages, but for those who don't want to see, they won't see.

There is a cadre of mostly liberal, and surely Dem voting 'crats who have lived in and around the beltway for 20-30-40 years. No matter the admin voted in, they stay in their place, and gum up the works when a Republican is in office, and suck off the govt teat full time. Most are in positions of semi-power like the asst deputy Sec of state. They have just enough power to tinker with the levers of their office so that when someone they don't like is elected, they do as much damage as possible so that it appears that the admin is to blame, but not enough damage to get caught and fired. Samples of how the deep state operatives work would be the Lerner woman in the IRS, and the EPA guys who setup a counter-admin website and apparatus for the 'not my pres' after Trump was elected. These are just two of the thousands out there who are long-time Dem voters, and have an irrational hate and distrust of anyone who isn't just - like - them. Strozek and Page are recent visible examples of the prissy, good-for-nothing crats who would rather have the US less safe, and lower quality of life under a right leaning admin, than do their job.

There is no single leader, there is no formal, or organized structure, there is no secret handshake, etc. In history they have been referred to as '5th columnist' or insurgents, if the undercover assets consider moving forward with armed aggression. Another example of their operation is from the former Obama head of CIA. He was unable to get his now-discredited dossier into evidence for a FISA warrant, but he could and did leak it here and there, until his counterpart in the FBI picked up the scent and it became the basis for the warrant. This is how the deep state works it's nefarious plots. Find a pol who is willing to do some dirt, have it written up in a report, then capture the report, and suddenly - it has veracity(well, not really, but good enough to fool the jerks at the FISA court). The FISA court may, or may not be a part of the deep state actors, but like any other court, they are always willing to give the feds plenty of rope to increase the power and control over everyone, everywhere.

The deep state(crats) live off power. They can't get enough, and when even a small amount of that power is threatened, they will do anything to anyone to insure they remain in their fief. There is mostly an ad-hoc design to the deep state, rarely is there much or any coordination. However, when things are going bad, I'm seeing that even the most unlikely will team up to play ball and focus on the Big Bad Guy with orange skin. At that, is all I have to say on that.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 20:46
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"Yes, Sir Humphrey"

An example of what you so alarmingly call the "Deep State" are the professional Whitehall bureaucrats, Governments come and Governments go but they stay on, making sure that the country keeps functioning. They restrain the overenthusiastic and gently prod the idle (or do their work for them).

Don't forget that the majority of newly elected politicians have absolutely no experience of government whatsoever and need to be told that Yes, their new idea is fascinating, but it will first have to be drafted in such and such a form, reviewed, redrafted, then tacked onto the end of a very long preliminary agenda and if agreed, will then need to have to go through a whole variety of committees before the serious work starts.

It's called checks and balances

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Old 24th Jul 2018, 21:23
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Hey Mac. A fine defense of the 'crat mentality. And, if I thought that all those empty suits were working diligently toward a greater union - notwithstanding the elected members then I too would be on board. But - it's clear from plenty of recent evidence that is NOT the case in the US. All those hard working(I kid....) crats are only pulling on one oar, and it's always the left one. Which of course means much of the ship of state is going in a giant anti-clockwise circle-jerk.

I recommend a film called 'Brazil'. I believe it's even a Brit indie production? Anyway, you will enjoy the heck out of it!

Edit; "Buttle!? I thought you said Tuttle!?"
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 21:57
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Am I missing something?

EC, what sort of ROI (Return On Investment) do you get from your "investing in new cars and trucks"? I always seem to make a loss, although I do enjoy driving my cars and motorcycles (no trucks yet; when I need one I rent one). I just buy motor vehicles because they do not seem to be suitable things to invest in. I'm curious to know how you make this work for you. Or is it that you often go to the 7/11 and "invest" in a Slurpee?

Your investment advice aside, I have to ask you, EC, about all this "deep state" stuff you seem to know so very, very much about. That would be: You know all this how? Have you been watching Infowars again? Or is it that you take all of what Donald Trump has to say at face value, so that you know there's no guilt in anything he's ever done. No, it's all down to this deep state, the rotten, self-serving bastards who are undermining this greatest of all American Presidents, our favorite one according to Trump himself. Is that it?

Another question, EC: What do you make of the fact that Robert Mueller is a registered member of the Republican Party who was originally appointed as Director of the FBI by Republican President George W. Bush? Does this just show you the tentacles of the deep state, their having the foresight to get Mueller to fake being a Republican when he really must be a Democrat, fake it so well that a Republican President appointed him as Director of the FBI?

"Brazil" is a very interesting film, yes, but I got the idea after watching it that it's a work of fiction, not actually a factual documentary. Instead it seems to be the product of the vivid imagination of Terry Gilliam. Take it as factual if you will, EC, and I can recommend the Ford F-150 as a very sound investment, as long as you do not mind an average return of minus 6% per annum over ten years.

Well, that does beat investing in Slurpees, doesn't it? Saving money by living in your mother's basement, on the other hand ... there you are onto something.
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