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Old 18th May 2018, 17:22
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Old 18th May 2018, 17:43
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
How long should a special investigation of a Presidential Administration go on? Well, we have some recent precedent from Republican-run investigations....

House Select Committee on Benghazi: May 2014 - Dec. 2016. 2 years, 8 months
Whitewater Special Counsel: August 1994 - Sept. 1998 (Starr report) - Sept. 2000 (Ray report). 6 years, 1 month.
Senate Whitewater Committees: July 1994 - June 1996. 1 year, 11 months.

Sorry, boys! You made the bed - now you get to lie in it (pun intended).

And of course there is Watergate (bipartisan).

Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities: Feb. 1973 - June 1974. 1 year, 4 months
Independent Counsel: (Cox/Jaworski) May 1973 - Oct. 1974. 1 year, 5 months.

Bob Mueller has lots of time left on his shot-clock.
PIF,

After Clapperís comments on CNN last night I think the shot clock is in the last few minutes.

To openly say that, of course the little word IF crept in, having someone on the inside of the Trump campaign would have been desirable considering the Russian collusion issues.

My uneducated thoughts on the subject. Someone in the Clinton camp wanted to know what was going on in the opponents campaign, was he going to fold, were they in the process of folding up the tent.
Brennan, Clapper et al baited a hook and got a strike. They could always indict Russian companies/individuals, then quietly drop the Russian collusion story, after all, whatever games were to be played would disappear as soon as Clinton won.
Then the great upset and the chances that they, whoever they are, would be unmasked if the collusion story just went away, hell Trump spent years in the real estate business, if they could get an investigation going they would be sure to find something to impeach.
These folks are used to targets folding due to financial and personal toll, Trump didnít.
Hence the lawyers, hookers, dogs and cats sleeping together, on and on, nothing seems to stick.
I believe they have finally met someone outside of their control, Clapperís words last night seem to signal he/they realize that indeed their string does have an end, itís in sight.

I wish I knew who to purchase the rights from for this saga, it would make one hell of a story.

The above in no way supports either party, if even close to the truth whoever thought it up, set it in motion are smart, vindictive cookies, with long reach back into the intelligence communityís.

Oh well.
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Old 18th May 2018, 19:52
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Santa Fe High School: Ten dead in shooting - BBC News

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Old 18th May 2018, 20:09
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Santa Fe High School: Ten dead in shooting - BBC News

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Seems that yet another mentally unstable person that was known to have fantasies about killing and dying fell through the cracks.
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Old 18th May 2018, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Highway1 View Post
Seems that yet another mentally unstable person that was known to have fantasies about killing and dying fell through the cracks.
Seems that there are quite a few of those. Perhaps those cracks need filling. They won't be though. See you again soon.
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Old 18th May 2018, 20:27
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Santa Fe High School: Ten dead in shooting - BBC News

This appears to have raised not one opinion in JB.
It’s pointless - within five posts on the subject the gun fondlers will simply start veering off onto some parallel discourse on 2A, how guns don’t kill people, how the teachers should have been (more heavily) armed, how the FBI and/or local law enforcement and/or Liberals/Obama/Hillary are to blame, how it’s a mental health issue, how there’s too many guns and it’s all just too hard, blah blah blah - and the heartbreaking fact that at least eight more innocent young children have been needlessly murdered will be conveniently sidelined. Some people are simply too titanically arrogant, myopically narrow minded or galactically stupid to be capable of being reasoned with. Don’t waste your breath.

edit: I stand corrected. Make that within one post

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Old 18th May 2018, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
Itís pointless. Within five posts on the subject the gun fondlers will simply start veering off onto some parallel discourse on 2A, how guns donít kill people, how the teachers should have been (more heavily) armed, how the FBI and/or local law enforcement and/or Liberals/Obama/Hillary are to blame, how itís a mental health issue, blah blah blah, and the heartbreaking fact that at least eight more innocent young children have been needlessly murdered will be conveniently sidelined. Some people are simply too titanically arrogant, myopically narrow minded or galactically stupid to be capable of being reasoned with. Donít waste your breath.
There are almost 400 million guns in circulation in the USA at the present time - do you think it is in any way practical to try to remove all those guns from circulation?

And dont give us the old 'well australia did it' nonsense as the culture is totally different.
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Old 18th May 2018, 21:11
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Click, whir. Right on cue.

Highway, you really jump at shadows.

Hempy did not suggest the removal of all guns.

Either Americaís gun homicide rate is a problem or it is not.

Why is there no rational, calm debate about this issue? We simply ignore it.



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Old 18th May 2018, 21:24
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
Click, whir. Right on cue.

Highway, you really jump at shadows.

Hempy did not suggest the removal of all guns.
So what is the solution? - if you dismiss mental illness as a cause, dismiss failures in the system to flag up these people and dismiss increased security in schools - WTF are you left with?
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Old 18th May 2018, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Highway1 View Post
So what is the solution? - if you dismiss mental illness as a cause, dismiss failures in the system to flag up these people and dismiss increased security in schools - WTF are you left with?
You use the Republican mantra that as long as you mention absolutely everything except guns then it's OK. Whatever you do, do not mention the white elephant.

My question, as soon as a Muslim does this, is it terrorism and you ban everything, or is it mental illness based on a false ideology.
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Old 18th May 2018, 21:48
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This appears to have raised not one opinion in JB.
As my American buddy DJ in the mid-West says - 'it's who we are'. Groundhog Day.
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Old 18th May 2018, 23:06
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We must NOT impede fire arms sales. Un American. Therefore school shootings cannot be stopped. So get used to that fact. Just hope it's not your child. Or mine.

This one didn't have the decency to kill himself. Now we get to hear how angry he was because he was abused.
Damn, damn, damn.
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Old 18th May 2018, 23:09
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So the FBI did have an informant inside the Trump Campaign but he wasn't planted there to inform on anyone.............

Washington (CNN)An unsupported theory circulating on Capitol Hill and conservative media outlets about an "informant" spying on the Trump campaign reached new heights Friday morning, as President Donald Trump tweeted about the "all time greatest political scandal."

But US officials tell CNN that the confidential intelligence source was not planted inside the campaign to provide information to investigators.
One of the officials said the informant is a US citizen, but provided no other details on the identity.The officials say that the identity of the informant had been closely held at the highest levels of the FBI and intelligence community, and the individual has been a source for the FBI and CIA for years.
CNN
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:12
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Another 10 kids killed in the name of of freedom, and it barely rates a mention.

​​​​​​​'merica!
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:19
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New slogan: "NRA - helping reduce Texas' America's excess white population, one high school or church at a time."

And another brilliant idea - can you say "Triangle Shirtwaist Company?" "ďThere are too many entrances and too many exits to our over 8,000 campuses. There arenít enough people to put a guard at every entry and exit.Ē - Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick. But then, Texas voted for him - just think of it as "evolution in action."
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:19
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
Another 10 kids killed in the name of of freedom, and it barely rates a mention.

'merica!
​​​​​​​What would you like us to say or do about it?
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:34
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Original Quote by Highway1:
So what is the solution? ó if you dismiss mental illness as a cause, dismiss failures in the system to flag up these people and dismiss increased security in schools - WTF are you left with?
If you are a gunowner, you become totally responsible to make 100% sure (not 50% or 75%) that only you have the only access to the guns you own. If you are a parent of teenagers, keep in mind they are technically much smarter than you will ever be in that respect, so don't think that some rinky-dink gun cabinet bought on sale at Walmart will serve you well. That being said, as being totally responsible as you are, should your teenager or adult family member use one of your weapons in a murder or mass murder, you will be held as responsible as if you pulled the trigger at the killing event yourself, capital murder times the number of those killed, your life may well be over or wish it would be for your carelessness. Security begins at home, not at schools, shopping malls, movie theaters, etc. So how are your thoughts in Texas (Mexico) tonight? Out of ideas, eh?
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:42
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Original quote by obgraham:
What would you like us to say or do about it?
See my reply to Highway 1. The same should apply in Washington State. However, if you are NRA fan or a Trump worshiper, nothing will change, so why ask? It will be government sanctioned murder as usual...
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:48
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being totally responsible as you are, should your teenager or adult family member use one of your weapons in a murder or mass murder, you will be held as responsible as if you pulled the trigger at the killing event yourself, capital murder times the number of those killed, your life may well be over or wish it would be for your carelessness
Must have missed the news.......that father who gave those guns back to his wobbly son after they had been seized by law enforcement and then released to that father in safekeeping - whose insane son then went on to shoot - Oh, I forget how many - kids and adults with those same guns.............. Was he ever charged? With anything?
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Old 19th May 2018, 01:06
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
If you are a gunowner, you become totally responsible to make 100% sure (not 50% or 75%) that only you have the only access to the guns you own. If you are a parent of teenagers, keep in mind they are technically much smarter than you will ever be in that respect, so don't think that some rinky-dink gun cabinet bought on sale at Walmart will serve you well. That being said, as being totally responsible as you are, should your teenager or adult family member use one of your weapons in a murder or mass murder, you will be held as responsible as if you pulled the trigger at the killing event yourself, capital murder times the number of those killed, your life may well be over or wish it would be for your carelessness. Security begins at home, not at schools, shopping malls, movie theaters, etc. So how are your thoughts in Texas (Mexico) tonight? Out of ideas, eh?
I wouldn't object to that but what if the kid or someone else steals them - who is responsible then?. As to my ideas - probably about the same as most normal people, more help for mental illness, increased security in schools and try to improve the system for flagging up those who are inclined to carry out theses attacks before they start.

Whining on about the NRA certainly isnt going to help.
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