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Old 11th Jan 2018, 01:32
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Original Post by gf:
How can there a “US” and “Multinational” company? Which ones do you have in mind? Apple? Facebook? Coca-Cola? Proctor & Gamble?

Instead of throwing slime around like the monkey cages; do you have some actual examples of business lobbying for a war, regardless of desirability of said war?
Hmm, none of the above, think of the industrial military complex, also somewhat multinational.

It is always fun to challenge your recall of history...

There is a strong linkage between lobbying for war and profiteering from war, generally lobbying come first and profiteering second. So if you look back in history, you don't have to look back far to see a prime example:

President Bush bears ultimate responsibility for the War in Iraq, as do the members of Congress who voted for it. But Dick Cheney's role in the run-up to war was uniquely irresponsible and mendacious. And after the invasion he contributed to the early dysfunction on the ground. Even Iraq War supporters should rue his involvement.

Cheney undercut the CIA by instructing subordinates in that agency to stovepipe raw intelligence directly to his office. He also worked with Donald Rumsfeld to establish an alternative intelligence agency within the Pentagon. Both of these actions directly contributed to the faulty information that informed the decision to go to war.

During the several months preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, and thereafter, the Vice President became aware that no certain evidence existed of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, a fact articulated in several official documents, including: (a) A report by the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, concluding that "there is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons, or where Iraq has--or will--establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities." (b) A National Intelligence Estimate, compiled by the nation's intelligence agencies, admitting to "little specific information" about chemical weapons in Iraq. (c) A later section of the same NIE, admitting "low confidence" that Saddam Hussein "would engage in clandestine attacks against the U.S. Homeland,” and equally "low confidence" that he would "share chemical or biological weapons with al-Qa'ida." (d) An addendum by the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, asserting that Hussein's quest for yellowcake uranium in Africa was "highly dubious" and that his acquisition of certain machine parts, considered by some to be evidence of a nuclear program, were "not clearly linked to a nuclear end use."

After his initial stints in government under Republican Administrations, including time as George H.W. Bush's Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney entered the private sector, where he used contacts he made during his time in government to enrich himself. All told, he would earn more than $44 million from Halliburton. After Cheney enriched himself by exploiting contacts with various corrupt Arab autocrats that he made while drawing a public salary, he returned to public life as vice-president. Halliburton donated to his campaign, and got numerous lucrative contracts during the Bush Administration's tenure, even as it was discovered to have overcharged the U.S. for prior services rendered. He also profited from his Halliburton provided incentives ($150,000/yr. + stock options ) while VP under George Bush.

There is no better example of the problematic "revolving door" relationship between government and private enterprise than Dick Cheney and the multinational Halliburton.

Halliburton gained $39.5 billion in federal contracts related to the Iraq war.

I'll bet you didn't know Cheney urged that the first Gulf War be waged without Congressional permission.

But, gf, you can re-write history if you chose as naysayers often do...
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 01:52
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Turbine - if you are going to C&P from anther website its always polite to link to that website.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 02:23
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Turbine D,

No argument there, but civil combat support contractors aren’t exactly a market place filled with competitive bidders, is it? Yes, I was there and Halliburton and, even more so, K,B&R were big and mostly the only game in town. The peace dividend during the Nineties pretty much left is exposed with a military less than needed.

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Old 11th Jan 2018, 08:53
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California is lookin forward to cuts in Public Employee Pensions.

State Courts are beginning to hear cases pertaining to the "California Rule" that forbids Government from cutting Promised Benefits. If that "Rule" is voided by the Courts then Governmental Units (Towns, Cities, Counties, and even the State Government) will be free to cut Pensions and other Benefits.

What is missed is the California Pension system is grossly underfunded and is struggling to keep up with the demand caused by promised benefit levels.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ts-in-downturn
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 10:19
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Yep just like Obama had to take the blame for Bush's ruining of the Economy, then Trump is taking the credit for Obama's work in getting things on an even keel again. The right allways have been expert spin merchants.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 19:52
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Oh Donald

Donald Trump claims US sold Norway 'F-52' aircraft that doesn't exist | The Independent

The President claimed Norway had started receiving the first American-made “F-52s” . ​“In November, we started delivering the first F-52s and F-35 fighter jets,” he said.

The F-52 is a fictional aircraft that features prominently in the successful Call of Duty video game series.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 19:59
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We ordered 52 pcs F35s, why I don't know, except to please our dear allies.
He probably got the numbers mixed up.
Also claims in the "social media" that our PM speaks better English than your President.
Totally without merit, of course.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 20:54
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Long before the presidential election, the populist candidate’s mental state was under attack. The New York Times ran a series over several days suggesting he was unfit for office. It included a letter from an anonymous psychiatrist diagnosing the candidate’s “megalomania” and saying he “presents in speech and action striking and alarming evidence of a mind not entirely sound.” Another piece said the political outsider was “laboring under the delusion he is persecuted” and possessed “an enormous passion for haranguing every time he sees a crowd gathered.” One psychologist refused to call the candidate “ordinarily crazy,” but added “I would like to examine him,” while another said he was “beset with what I believe to be delusions.”

But, dear reader, hold your amusement or your rage. These articles appeared in 1896. The victim of the Times’s insanity assault was not Donald Trump but William Jennings Bryan, the Democratic presidential nominee. It is a reminder that the media frenzy this week about Mr. Trump’s mental acuity isn’t the first time the question has been raised about a White House occupant or a presidential candidate. It won’t be the last.
Karl Rove quoting the New York Times in today’s WSJ

The more things change.....
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 21:28
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
Karl Rove quoting the New York Times in today’s WSJ

The more things change.....
William Jennings Bryan, is the Presidential candidate mentioned in the quoted article
Bryan actively lobbied for state laws banning public schools from teaching evolution. The legislatures of several Southern states proved more receptive to his anti-evolution message than the Presbyterian Church had been, and passed such laws after Bryan addressed them. A prominent example was the Butler Act of 1925, which made it unlawful in Tennessee to teach that mankind evolved from lower life forms.[67]
Bryan's participation in the highly publicized 1925 Scopes Trial served as a capstone to his career. He was asked by William Bell Riley to represent the World Christian Fundamentals Association as counsel at the trial. During the trial, Bryan took the stand and was questioned by defense lawyer Clarence Darrow about his views on the Bible: "Asked when the Flood occurred, Bryan consulted Ussher's Bible Concordance, and gave the date as 2348 BC, or 4273 years ago. Did not Bryan know, asked Darrow, that Chinese civilization had been traced back at least 7000 years? Bryan conceded that he did not.
I'm curious what Trump's position on evolution is. Maybe we'd see similar scenes...

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Old 11th Jan 2018, 23:16
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Bryan was a candidate, not a President, Jetex Jim.. Don’t know Trump’s position on evolution, but he is proof evolution does have its dead ends.

Nice wind up on the Democrat state of play:

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...worse-n2432292

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Old 11th Jan 2018, 23:54
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Reported by The New York Times:

" President Trump on Thursday balked at an immigration deal that would include protections for people from Haiti and African countries, demanding to know at a White House meeting why he should accept immigrants from “sh*thole countries” rather than people from places like Norway, according to people with direct knowledge of the conversation.

I guess this is Trumpet playing to his base.

Just WOW!
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 00:07
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A few comments from said piece above:

carrie houston, texas 49 minutes ago
I need to stop thinking that this man can no longer surprise me. Now I will have to listen to Sarah Sanders explain why there is nothing wrong with him saying this, and it doesn't matter because he didn't say it anyway.

Paul Trantor 19 minutes ago
Who says folks from Norway want to come to THIS sh1thole country?
And, in the interest of equal time, a "Times pick" comment:

Turk Philadelphia 54 minutes ago.
Although his words are atrocious and inconceivably daft, he is essentially correct from a macro level. What he should have said more eloquently is that America should accept only two "classes" of immigrants: 1) those suffering an extreme level of political or religious intolerance; and 2) ONLY THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST. We should all prefer to have only the cream of the crop join our ranks. Welcome the engineers, doctors, mathematicians, and others that are the absolute best in their fields. I'm sorry, but we do not need to add people from any country that are here to contribute de minimis to society. It may not be the easiest pill to swallow, but we must make every effort to lift our country up rather than keep the status quo.

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Old 12th Jan 2018, 01:06
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At least President Trump has told it as it is!
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 01:24
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Time to mothball the Statue of Liberty until this gets sorted out, may take three years...
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 01:27
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I'm curious what Trump's position on evolution is. Maybe we'd see similar scenes...
We'll know after he visits Noah's Ark in Northern Kentucky...
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 02:04
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Time to mothball the Statue of Liberty until this gets sorted out, may take three years...
I take it you don’t believe in borders?

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Old 12th Jan 2018, 02:24
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Trump Unveils Secret Program?

Wow,

President Trump caused a stir with his announcement that the United States had delivered F-52 fighter jets to Norway.

Was it a secret advanced jet capable of beating its Russian counterparts? A ruse to fool intelligence analysts?

Neither, it turns out. The “F-52” is a fictional jet only available to fly if you’re a gamer at the controls of “Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.”
Is it a fictional jet or loose lips on Cheeto’s part? It could be the CoD inclusion was just to throw off Russian intelligence. Now all that hard work is down the tubes.

What a moron.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 03:20
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With a population of 300+ Million people....can you explain to me why we need mass immigration, chain immigration, a immigration lottery at all?

Did not the UK go down that road when it granted entry to anyone from the Commonwealth Countries and Colonies and is there not a bit of concern about it all nowadays? How has that turned out for you there?

I can see the value of folks with valuable skills and knowledge being of value....but more non-english speaking uneducated manual laborers with extended families....what do they bring to the market place?
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 03:46
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Clearly the Norwegians are the idiots here. They're the ones that ordered and paid for those F-52's, sight unseen. Don't blame us for that one.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 03:47
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SAS, you globalist -- you are calling for an immigration policy like other nations have!
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