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Old 1st Aug 2016, 17:55
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Politicians making a face and pointing at no one

Granted I might be drawing from a small sample size as I only see this when a news channel shows a clip, but could someone please explain why the U.S. politicians at events make a surprised face and point at no one in particular in the crowd?

I have noticed that they all do this. Bill Clinton did, W, Gore, Hillary, etc. Most recently I noticed it on a clip of the Guv Pence at the convention. He comes onto the stage and pulls a face and points into the crowd as if he is recognizing a friend and is surprised that they would be there, in the front row, of all places.

I could almost understand this at the convention where the delegates might indeed have some acquaintance with the candidate, but at a regular old event in any city?

Not a big deal but it is just a little quirk that I notice. If someone were that tight with the candidate they certainly would not be in the mosh pit of the masses but rather enjoying a bit better digs. They do seem to have practiced this quite a bit though as it is a "set piece" in their taking to the stage and is, I suspect, performed to give them a veneer of hanging out with the common cloth.

Any explanation on this?
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 18:24
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She hasn't met a war she doesn't like. A President Hillary will see many many flag covered caskets returned to Dover.
My, my, such a pacifist!

Were you out in the streets protesting:

- Reagan's invasion of Grenada
- Reagan's proxy war against Nicaragua (the Contras)
- Bush I's counterattack against Iraq
- Bush II's invasion of Afganistan
- Bush II's invasion of Iraq

...or does your pacifism only extend to Democrats' wars? In which case I assume you think our involvement in WW1 and WW2 were also mistakes.

(Vietnam was, of course, happily prosecuted by both Parties).

This is the key point - there is nothing that HRC has done, or ever will do, that would not get cheers, or at least excuses, from the partisans, if a conservative Republican did exactly the same thing.
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 18:37
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Egypt, Libya, Syria, Ring a Bell with you? How did they turn out?


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My, my, such a pacifist!

Were you out in the streets protesting:

- Reagan's invasion of Grenada
- Reagan's proxy war against Nicaragua (the Contras)
- Bush I's counterattack against Iraq
- Bush II's invasion of Afganistan
- Bush II's invasion of Iraq

...or does your pacifism only extend to Democrats' wars? In which case I assume you think our involvement in WW1 and WW2 were also mistakes.

(Vietnam was, of course, happily prosecuted by both Parties).

This is the key point - there is nothing that HRC has done, or ever will do, that would not get cheers, or at least excuses, from the partisans, if a conservative Republican did exactly the same thing.
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 18:52
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@Uncle Fred - you more or less answered your own question. Sure, it's politics - schmoozing and stroking the egos of lesser pols, who after all will be doing the grunt work of getting out the vote for you - and much more happily IF you toss them a bone of recognition now and then.

Back in the day, FDR's political boss James Farley kept a "Farley file" on every one of the thousands of minor politicians FDR ever encountered - wife and kid's names, favorite tipple, birthdays, you name it. So that when meeting them again, or calling for support on this or that issue, FDR would appear to "remember" the most personal details as though they were best bosom friends - "Hello, Jim!" How's Betty? Johnny must be graduating soon!"

(Some call it hypocritical - but do you remember the phone number of every close friend, or do you keep an "aide-memoire" list of them?)

Nothing builds and maintains loyalty like giving the impression that a supporter is "the most important person in my life" right now. Even if it's just for a second.

Sometimes it misfires - remember Bush giving Merkel a squeeze? If she'd been a Texas GOP legislator, it would probably have been appreciated. Our political culture is just more casual and personal.
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 19:08
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Egypt, Libya, Syria, Ring a Bell with you? How did they turn out?
About like they would have for a Pres. McCain and SecState Lindsey Graham.

McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya - CNN.com

Lindsey Graham, John McCain want U.S.-led force in Syria - CNNPolitics.com

As I said - GOP partisanship is basically caveman-ese: "Republican War G-o-o-d!. Democrat war b-a-a-d!"
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 19:19
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Which brings us back to why so many, even with some doubts, will vote for Trump - for all their supposed differences the Dems and Reps are both controlled by the "elite". A smoke and mirrors circus to give the illusion of democracy. For good or bad there is a movement to take it back out of their hands.
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 19:21
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BTW - always remember that Trump was ready to start a war over - a cockpit fire.

"What just happened 12 hours ago? A plane got blown out of the sky. And if anyone doesn't think it was blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong."

ooops!

Smart - and possibly crooked, is better than dumb - and possibly crooked.
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 19:31
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There is one elite Trump just lo-o-oves!

Better start learning the words, so you can get along with the rulers of "America's New Best Friend" if he wins.

https://youtu.be/AOAtz8xWM0w
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 19:37
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Using McCain and Graham for anything but keeping Crows out of the Corn is fraught with peril!




Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
About like they would have for a Pres. McCain and SecState Lindsey Graham.

McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya - CNN.com

Lindsey Graham, John McCain want U.S.-led force in Syria - CNNPolitics.com

As I said - GOP partisanship is basically caveman-ese: "Republican War G-o-o-d!. Democrat war b-a-a-d!"
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 20:22
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This is the key point - there is nothing that HRC has done, or ever will do, that would not get cheers, or at least excuses, from the partisans, if a conservative Republican did exactly the same thing.
Pattern

You choose not to answer my assertion about Hillary and war. Is questioning my actions for actions that date back to my high school days easier than addressing how Hillary might act as President based on her track record? The answer your searching for is yes it is.

and possibly crooked.
Not sure if it's a Hollywood portrayal thing, but your statement reminds me of an AA meeting and admitting you (your party) has a problem. I guess it's the first step though.
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 20:45
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Okay. Looking over the last 4 or 5 pages, the contributors line up as follows.

Pro Trump: 11 Fan, Hempy, West Coast, Obgraham, Ken V, Sasless, Meadowrun, Um...lifting, barit 1. approx 9, probably most are US voters.

Not pro-Trump: Va pilot, SMT member, Mary Meagher, Pattern is Full, Private pilot Radar Tech, Toadstool, Eggy 1, Orange future. approx 9. several do not seem to be US voters (European? Australian?)

What conclusion can we draw from this very small sample? Res ipse loquatur....
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 21:00
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Pro Trump: 11 Fan, Hempy, West Coast, Obgraham, Ken V, Sasless, Meadowrun, Um...lifting, barit 1. approx 9, probably most are US voters.
You should spend a little more time studying the players before you make assumptions. I'm not voting for Trump, rather Gary Johnson.

It's not as simplistic as you appear to think. I'm a critic of Hillary, that's doesn't make me pro Trump.

I won't speak for him, but you might want to reevaluate what category you think Hempy is in. He hates all things US equally.

What conclusion can we draw from this very small sample?
Absolutely nothing
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 21:01
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I am less pro-Trump than assumed....but I am unalterably anti-Hillary!!!

I also see symbolic votes for a candidate with no hope of doing anything but syphoning off votes from one of the two with a chance to win as being extremely short sighted.

If Trump loses as a result of that and Clinton gets to appoint Leftists to the Supreme Court...then it would violate Ronald Reagan's Axiom.

That being it is better to get most of what want rather than go over the Cliff with all your Flags waving in the Wind!


Originally Posted by mary meagher View Post
Okay. Looking over the last 4 or 5 pages, the contributors line up as follows.

Pro Trump: 11 Fan, Hempy, West Coast, Obgraham, Ken V, Sasless, Meadowrun, Um...lifting, barit 1. approx 9, probably most are US voters.

Not pro-Trump: Va pilot, SMT member, Mary Meagher, Pattern is Full, Private pilot Radar Tech, Toadstool, Eggy 1, Orange future. approx 9. several do not seem to be US voters (European? Australian?)

What conclusion can we draw from this very small sample? Res ipse loquatur....
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 21:39
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OK, West Coast

"She hasn't met a war she doesn't like." Actually, she didn't like the Vietnam War, and actively demonstrated against it.

WC 0, Facts 1

"A President Hillary will see many many flag covered caskets returned to Dover."

Ah, a prediction. A testable hypothesis. Now you're thinking scientifically. But you can't jawbone an experimental outcome - you have to run the experiment.

My prediction - the next President will see at least one body bag returning to Dover. So long as there are troops overseas, there will always be that risk. A Humvee accident in Okinawa or Korea can lead to body bags coming home. So can an isolated nut in Frankfurt. Or a copter crash anywhere.

My prediction - there will NOT be "many many body bags" coming home to Dover under a Pres. Clinton. Unless a war is forced upon us by enemy action. A forced choice of "fight, or surrender" that will depend on events, as much as who is President.

I will be hyper-critical, regardless of who is President or which Party they are from, in judging whether any such event is actually war-worthy, and whether the US response is proportional to the event.

Which brings us back to my question - still unanswered. Which wars have you supported, and which have you opposed, and is there a "partisan" coloring to your choices?
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 21:57
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As a memeber of the military during some, it wasn't my place to demonstrate or offer opinion for or against. Others I was sweating over calc tests while they were occurring. Afghanistan, for, wish we'd never gone into Iraq the second time.

Re: war

My mistake, I made should have made it clear, since she's been in the public office. Got a feeling you knew that though.

My prediction - the next President will see at least one body bag returning to Dover. So long as there are troops overseas, there will always be that risk. A Humvee accident in Okinawa or Korea can lead to body bags coming home. So can an isolated nut in Frankfurt. Or a copter crash anywhere.
Are you a lawyer? You know EXACTLY what I mean by the statement, that it'll be as a result of her sending US forces into harms way. Don't be obtuse, that's a game the bottom feeders play, speak to what you know is meant. I've thought highly of you and VApilot because you don't play stupid games.
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 22:49
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Why 'for' Afghanistan West Coast?
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 23:28
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Speaking of bottom feeders...
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A letter to Mr. Khan who has spent the days since his DNC speech appearing on the usual liberal news/talk shows eviscerating Mr. Trump's opinions on the Muslim immigration which, according to various polls 70%, of the American people agree with:


http://usdefensewatch.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-mr-khizr-khan/





Ray Starmann is the founder of USDefense Watch. He is a formerU.S. Army Intelligence officer and veteran of the Gulf War, where he servedwith the 4th Squadron, 7th Cavalry, 3rd Armored Division “Spearhead!” Mr.Starmann was a contributing writer for several years at SFTT.org, founded bythe late Colonel David Hackworth.


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Old 2nd Aug 2016, 02:01
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Good find PacWest.....

Lo and behold...... in Vap's favorite website....

Wait for it......

Khizr Khan, the Muslim Gold Star father that the mainstream media and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been using to criticize Donald J. Trump, has deep ties to the government of Saudi Arabia—and to international Islamist investors through his own law firm. In addition to those ties to the wealthy Islamist nation, Khan also has ties to controversial immigration programs that wealthy foreigners can use to essentially buy their way into the United States—and has deep ties to the “Clinton Cash” narrative through the Clinton Foundation.
Clinton Cash: Khizr Khan?s Deep Legal, Financial Connections to Saudi Arabia, Hillary?s Clinton Foundation Tie Terror, Immigration, Email Scandals Together - Breitbart

Imagine my surprise.
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Old 2nd Aug 2016, 02:02
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Mary asked: What conclusion can we draw from this very small sample?
Wait wait wait..... Pick me.....

Perhaps that you are prejudice?
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