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Old 12th Aug 2017, 22:41
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
What would suit the Chinese, the biggest player in the region, is:


- for things to calm down somewhat
- in such a way that there aren't US troops on their border.


It will be interesting to see what they do to achieve this.


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Old 12th Aug 2017, 23:12
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The Chinese have used the North Koreans as a way of jerking the US Government about for almost 65 Years....so what is new about this scenario besides it involves Nukes and ICBM's.....or the threat of anyway!

The Chinese can turn the noise off tomorrow if they so decide.

Fat Boy either kowtows to the Chinese or he will get to peek into a Cannon Barrel himself!
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 00:29
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Interesting the Trump response to the terrorist attack in Charlottesville was delayed and when excreted was defective and a wink to his Nazi/KKK base. Basically he and Jeff are saying good for you. Trump shed more tears over the victims of Bowling Green than he has today. But.....he still got his 18 holes in.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 04:01
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Meanwhile, three hours of dead silence from "the good ol' boys"

Presumably they are trying to come up with brilliant thoughts such as these from The Daily Stormer ( self-proclaimed "World's Most Genocidal Republican Website"):

Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us. He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate… on both sides!

So he implied the antifa [anti-fascists] are haters.
There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.
He said he loves us all.
Also refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him.
No condemnation at all.
When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room.
Really, really good.
God bless him.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 04:20
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I see some are assigning fault in a sweeping manner without yet the facts in hand. This is pretty much what Obama did when he was president and why he turned up so unhelpful in healing race relations.

I don't have a verdict yet on the protesters on either side. Maybe anyone of them as a movement should be banned against some law. That's what Sessions is for and hopefully not at the beckoning of a Democrat or republican but only with the weight of an existing law.

On the surface I understood that the whites (are they really all whites?) had a permit to assemble and march. (Were they any stated limitation in this permit?). Free speech is part of our culture within this permit.

Now just how did an armed anti movement get involved? That was surely a trigger to an explosive outcome. It's one thing to stand on street corners and shout, but movement across the lines of the march should never have been allowed.

Some authorities in that state obviously didn't have a game plan and they should take the majority of the blame, not Trump
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 04:47
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Twitter busy deceminating photos of alt-righters in Charlottesville so they can be outed and publicly ridiculed. Finally a good use for Twitter.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 06:23
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
I don't have a verdict yet on the protesters on either side. Maybe anyone of them as a movement should be banned against some law.
Loma - PLEASE reassure me you aren't falling for the false-equivalency line.

If you want an equivalency - those who fight back against white supremacy, white nationalism and the Klan are equivalent to those who rose up in the Warsaw Ghetto against Naziism.

They are equivalent to the people of Venezuela who protest and fight back against Maduro - but not equivalent in any way to Maduro's thugs.

I dare anyone to call those fighters against evil "haters." The same goes for those who fight against hate-based philosophies such as White Supremacy.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 06:42
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Know with whom you stand:

Mr. President - we must call evil by its name. These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism. - Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo.

The White Supremacy in Charlottesville does not reflect the values of the America I know. Hate and bigotry have no place in this country. - Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz.

Very important for the nation to hear POTUS describe events in Charlottesville for what they are, a terror attack by whites supremacists. - Sen. Marco Rubio, R-FL

White supremacists, Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites are the antithesis of our American values. There are no other "sides" to hatred and bigotry. - Rep. Ileana Ross-Lehtinen, R-FL

“We must ALL condemn domestic terror & stand together against racism, hate and evils that if left unchecked will tear us apart.” — Sen. Tim Scott, R-SC

“We should call evil by its name. My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home.” — Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah

Or....

[To President Trump] So, after decades of White Americans being targeted for discriminated & anti-White hatred, we come together as a people, and you attack us? ....I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists. - Former Klan leader David Duke.

(Hmm - that implies there are no White American radical leftists - ya think?)

Obama was properly criticized for dodging the phrase "Islamic terrorism."

How long will we wait before we hear Trump use the phrase "White Nationalist terrorism"?
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 06:52
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BTW - if you like cops or pilots, The Daily Stormer is chortling over the deaths of two cops in a helicopter crash while providing air cover for the police at the Charlottesville demonstrations.

If you are a Trump supporter - know who you are sleeping with....
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 07:53
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I'm pretty sure we literally fought a war against fascism. Almost the whole world got involved from memory.

p.s Does the right to the freedom of speech also provide freedom from the consequences of it?

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Old 13th Aug 2017, 08:17
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Trumple and his Stiltskins seem to want to go without the rest of the world for everything else, so I'm sure they can manage this one on their own as well. Maybe he can get Vlad to give him a hand.
You would like to think so, however, it appears your Mr Turnbull has other ideas, mentioning as he has the ANZUS treaty...treaties, as we know, tend to get messy when politicians decide to invoke them.

However, it is to be hoped the rest of the Aussie population will be more sensibly inclined with the time honoured tradition of......Pom bashing ( not entirely unjustified I have to say...unpatriotic cough ! here ) if CA and ACA can get their act together by the end of the year.

After the events a little closer to home, N.Carolina to be more precise, it's amazing to read they weren't simply dismissed as, although this is getting beyond it's sell by date, "fake news"...orchestrated by left wing liberal rioters intent only on preventing those good ol' boys exercising their Constitutional rights to have a peaceful day out.

Not so much a caption competition more a "guess the numbers " contest of the collective IQ of those in the first photograph. The second one, well we read a lot on here about armed militia's ...here's one stalwart citizen that clearly feels threated and oppressed ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40914748

Then there's the ( once N.Korea has been sorted out / bombed / nuked, or, hopefully, just returned to the usual status quo of political rhetoric) of another predilection for American politicians.....this one's just down the road so to speak.

Panama, Grenada, and now......

Venezuela crisis: Latin Americans condemn Trump over 'military response' - BBC News

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Old 13th Aug 2017, 13:00
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When the "Hands Up....Don't Shoot" crowd were found out, the Black Lives Matter crowd, the New Black Panthers, the Anarchists in masks, and other groups were burning Police cars, assassinating Police Officers, burning down Baltimore and Ferguson, I don't recall the media or the politicians getting on their high horse about the violence or the failure of the Police to maintain order.....actually quite the opposite.

So why the vigorous outcry over this event?

There is no excuse for violence by either side.

Condemnation of violence should be uniform.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 14:25
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Has Trump wondered what might happen if he should decide to pollute the N. Korean atmosphere? Should he choose that way, China might just say "We are not getting involved with you. By the way, we are calling in our IOU notes. Pay up within a week or we will send the bailiffs in".
China is not only tolerating The Empire's military aggression, they are substantially funding it.

If Trump attacks Korea the Chinese merely need to rein him in by threatening to sell a hundred billions 'worth' of T-bonds a day for the next two working weeks. Of course the market for the wretched things would collapse within two days as there would be no buyers on the first day.

Without the ability to borrow vast sums to fund its absurdly overbloated military-industrial complex The Empire would be unable to fund its wars of aggression against Korea et al.

China does indeed hold the key to ensuring peace in that region, though not in the way that the Chumpster's acolytes like to invert it.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 16:40
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Loma - PLEASE reassure me you aren't falling for the false-equivalency line.
I have no opinion as yet on this.

Please confirm that you own beliefs can define what laws were broken on either side.

The hate continues ... but will law and order follow?
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 17:20
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You alt-righters should tell the Dukers that Tiki torches, rather than intimidating, reinforces the worlds view that they are the impotent white trash of the like civilization thought we had rid ourselves of in the 60's.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 17:49
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It seems the sucker numbers are back on the rise. Including some around here, evidently.

A prescient take from 1947. Eerily familiar.

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Old 13th Aug 2017, 18:21
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What laws were broken on either side? From the video evidence (not beliefs)...

Alt-Right: Felony vehicular homicide, attempted vehicular homicide, engaging in terrorism...and then on down through misdemeanor assault and battery, grievous bodily harm, and disturbing the peace/disorderly conduct.

Counter-Alt-Right: Misdemeanor assault and battery, grievous bodily harm, disturbing the peace/disorderly conduct, and probably misdemeanor theft (some Alt-right flags were swiped or torn down.)

There are laws, and then there are laws. For some, you get strapped to the gurney, the chemicals are pumped in, and your heart stops. For others, you may get a small fine - or simply released.

Lumping them together as "laws" is rhetorical card-palming - not all laws are "equivalent" and therefore not all law-breakers are "equivalent." Exactly as recognized by the American system of justice.

"There was violence on either sides" - NO!, there was murder and attempted murder on one side, and fisticuffs on the other. Honest people recognize the difference - DIShonest people will try to blur the distinction.

Murder should NOT be condemned "uniformly" with throwing punches.

I stood up and condemned the attempted murder of and terrorist attack on Republicans on the baseball diamond. I called it for what it was.

I note a singular lack of such moral outrage and intellectual honesty among the conservative(s) here in this case.

Turn, twist, wiggle, waffle, deflect, distract, dodge.

Buckley, Goldwater and Reagan would weep....
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 18:32
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Cazalet33,

The "absurdly, over bloated MIC" is now at its smallest size, in terms of US GDP, since the '30s. So, there's that.

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Old 13th Aug 2017, 19:50
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Worth watching, thanks Hempy.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 20:07
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There is a major reversal of cause and effect going on in the US media. President Trump isn't a factor in the cause of this - President Trump is a result of this. The cause is deeper and more inchoate - and looking at the symptoms rather than the cause doesn't cure the problem.
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