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Old 14th Jun 2017, 16:37
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TDS at its worst.....violence taken to the extreme!

The Left would go really crazy over this had it been an attack on a Liberal....by a Conservative....but then it is not those on the Right that see violence as a legitimate method of protest.

I wonder why that is?

Don't they preach "Tolerance" and "Co-Existence" and "Acceptance"?
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 16:56
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Alas, this incident at the baseball/softball field took place in my neighborhood. The Aldi is my go-to store as is the CVS across the street. I walk by there on the other side of Route 1 most mornings where the Potomac (walking/biking) Trail is (goes between Braddock Road and Crystal City). It's also a massive pass through area for commuters going from south of Alexandria and Alexandria into DC via bus and car.

I saw this on the television just as I was about to set out to walk by there. Needless to say, punted. And it's unlikely I'll be going to the CVS to pick up a prescription today--probably a massive crime scene over there.

Among the many awful aspects of this, was that the YMCA next door reportedly (so may be dodgy info) had bullets flying through their windows (which face the field with a small parking lot in between) into the pool. Imagine a crazy world when you are in there doing you morning laps as bullets fly into the pool from outside. Not a neighborhood where you'd expect that. A block away from that field are masses of new build townhouses and flats that go for $1 MILLION and up.

This is one of the (formerly now) safest neighborhoods in the Washington DC area. Very low crime of all kinds by comparison, in spite of a recent couple of domestic murders in the section 8 housing areas blocks from the field.

Sounds like a lucky miss for many congressional members this morning--had the Majority Whip not been in the line of succession in Congress and therefore had his own protective detail with him to respond with fire immediately, the carnage could have been massive. Ducks in a barrel comes to mind.

The armed detail returned fire evidently. Sounds though as if he got off a LOT of shots before that.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 16:59
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So we are in agreement that the 2nd Amendment does not exist for the people to control government.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 17:55
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Patts.....as a last resort, due to the Second Amendment, the People have the ability to control government.....Yes!

Without it (and citizen ownership of firearms)....it might very well be a different matter.

Check up on Gun Control Measures in your own Country.....a few Years back in one of these many debates there was posted information that noted the first comprehensive gun control in the UK was a direct result of the Government's fear of an up-rising due to problems.



It was quite interesting reading considering the revisionist views so prevalent today.

I will not submit this is a definitive source but it points to the 1920 Gun Act as the start of the Present Day Gun Laws in Great Britain.

Some research at your end might expound upon the suggestion that concerns over Communist/Marxist unrest might have been the motive for the 1920 Law.


http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle558-20100221-07.html

Perhaps a better source of information on the topic.


https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearm...eatbritain.php

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Old 14th Jun 2017, 19:04
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Check up on Gun Control Measures in your own Country
....which is, of course, the good ol' US of A.

I'm just pointing out that overheated rhetoric about "2nd Amendment Solutions" or "We're in a war - here in the US - to prevent the annihilation of Western Culture" will have consequences....eventually someone will believe that cr*p.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 19:19
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I Want to Say Mr. President, for being an ass hole you are Truly the Biggest Ass Hole We Have Ever Had in the Oval Office, he wrote on Facebook.
He's not necessarily wrong about this, but that isn't an excuse to shoot people up in Alexandria. (Been there, even had a few cocktails there at pubs like Ireland's Own ... wonder if it's still open -- Nope, went out of business in 2014. Rats. ).
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 19:54
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Murphy's on King Street!

No Ball cap with the clapping hands....but a magic place!
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 20:09
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
....which is, of course, the good ol' US of A.

I'm just pointing out that overheated rhetoric about "2nd Amendment Solutions" or "We're in a war - here in the US - to prevent the annihilation of Western Culture" will have consequences....eventually someone will believe that cr*p.
But, it would a left-wing Democrat to act on it. I don't remember any legal gun owners of the right-wing persuasion trying to do in the Democrats.

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Old 14th Jun 2017, 20:21
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No - the righties have tended to use bombs, and/or go for citizens, police, and day-to-day government workers, rather than politicians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbi...mothy_Caughman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colora...thood_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overla...enter_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_P...arracks_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiscon...emple_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxvi...hurch_shooting

...I can go on, if you like....
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 20:25
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I note that you avoided Squeaky Fromme and Sarah Jane Moore. What's the matter, you got Selection Bias? See also Oswald: not a righty.
Likewise your presumption that all of these are "righties" ... I'd like to see your definition.
How about the Symbionese Liberation Army? Righties?
SDS? Righty?
Weathermen? Righties?
And how about these fine citizens?
And these fine anti capitalists who set off a car bomb. Righties?


Hmm.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 20:30
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How many were Mentally Deranged as compared to being politically motivated?

Waco and Ruby Ridge ring a bell to you....where the Federal government under a Democrat Administration killed heaps of folks?

You recall the Feds lost their case in both Criminal and Civil Court following Ruby Ridge with some FBI Senior Management being found guilty of obstruction of justice.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 20:31
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Selection bias was chosen by GF - I was just refreshing his memory

I don't remember any legal gun owners of the right-wing persuasion trying to do in the Democrats.
Do pay attention.

If you have a similar list of left-wing attacks in this century/millennium (note the dates of my list) - step right up and show it. Hope you don't have to dig back to the Weathermen (different century) to struggle to make your point.

[Sigh - a futile hope, it appears!]

Waiting for your real punch line - claiming Islamic terror is "Democrats" in disguise or some such.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 20:36
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Waiting for your real punch line - claiming Islamic terror is "Democrats" in disguise or some such.
You putting words in someone else's mouth, again?
I am also puzzled at how you allocated to McVeigh a "do in Democrats" motivation. Can you explain that? (I certainly don't think he was left wing, as his brand of anarchy seemed directly tied to Waco and various federal government conspiracy theories, hence targeting a federal building).
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 20:58
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
How many were Mentally Deranged as compared to being politically motivated?
A gray area - I would say that anyone who engages in political or "belief-based" murder is mentally deranged. Possibly even today's perp.

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Waco and Ruby Ridge ring a bell to you....where the Federal government under a Democrat Administration killed heaps of folks?
Ruby Ridge - 1992, under the Administration of that famous "Democrat," George H. W. Bush. Having a "John McCain moment," are we?

Waco - poor judgement (perhaps) from an administration that had been in office for less than 3 months (where have we heard THAT excuse recently?). But who fired first?
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
You putting words in someone else's mouth, again?
I am also puzzled at how you allocated to McVeigh a "do in Democrats" motivation. Can you explain that? (I certainly don't think he was left wing, as his brand of anarchy seemed directly tied to Waco and various federal government conspiracy theories, hence targeting a federal building).
Call it a pre-emptive strike - based on the word-twisting that does go on here sometimes. But - if the shoe doesn't fit, I must acquit.

Totally confused by your McVeigh comments. He certainly attacked the US Government directly, in response to a perceived wrong by the Democratic Clinton/Reno administration, which seems to be a common article of faith among the rightest wing.

If "Democrats" = "Big Government" (which seems to be an operating assumption around here - true or false?) then an armed attack on big government = ?
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 21:14
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BTW - the above logical and rational explorations are what they are.

I abhor the shooting attack on the GOP folks this morning. It is at least as grievous as any of the right-wing attacks I referenced. It was deranged - whether the derangement involved political beliefs or not.

And I'm conservative enough to not really believe in "not guilty by reason of insanity" - you can pity a mad dog, but you still shoot it. I'm glad the capitol or Alexandria police smoked him, and hope all his victims recover fully.
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Old 14th Jun 2017, 21:42
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153rd mass shooting of 2017 in the US. In this one only the shooter died, but this is the one the Trumpeteers and the orange one show outrage. My response: It is just a lone person with mental health issues. Just part of life in the NRA's Utopia.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 01:42
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Oh dear.
Special Counsel Mueller's investigation now widening to the President himself.
(Anonymous Wapo sources, lying press, yadda yadda).
The NSA will fully co-operate.
How's the planning for that second Saturday night massacre going Donald?
Would just love to see you try that - my popcorn and cold beer is all ready.

EDIT - and as always - follow those beautiful trails of money, through all those lovely electronic channels that the finest spooks at Fort Meade will just delight in unpicking. And I have no doubt they will.

A former senior official said Mr. Mueller’s investigation was looking at money laundering by Trump associates. The suspicion is that any cooperation with Russian officials would most likely have been done in exchange for some kind of financial payoff, and that there would have been an effort to hide the payoffs, most likely by routing them through offshore banking centers.

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 01:51
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pattern is full,

Can I have the wasted 5 minutes looking at your links back? NOT ONE involved a "right-wing" assailant targeting a Democrat politician. Care to try another zircon of thought?

I'll grant McVeigh's attack targeted the government, but hardly aimed at sitting politicians.

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 02:07
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Really? Down to parsing the type of attack as a defense?
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