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Old 8th Jun 2017, 21:31
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Comey

It took a lot of courage to report on Clinton during the campaign, and his reasons are satisfactory.

Similarly, broaching the Abedin/Weiner email exchange just before the election took nerve. Again, his reasoning withstands scrutiny.

So, yes, Comey appears to be a man of some integrity. But this is DC, and "some" integrity is likely all we will ever see.

The media are bought and paid for. Breathtaking, how corrupt and partisan they are....

Trump appears to be quite safe from Impeachment...

How? crimes and misdemeanors require intent. I think he is not intelligent enough to understand, let alone initiate 'intent'.....He is incapable of pausing long enough in his thought process to form the idea.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 00:13
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I watched the whole thing over here today, and reached two conclusions. The first was exactly as you say, John McCain was incoherent, muddled words and asked questions that were a waste of his 7 minutes, and clearly confused the hell out of Comey. The second was that Comey gave what seemed to be a confident account of events from his perspective. I came away with the impression that he was one of the most decent people in that room.............
Possible, but it was a room full of Senators, so might not be saying much.

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Old 9th Jun 2017, 00:30
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My 2 cents are that the FBI shouldn't be talking about ANY investigations. Clinton, Trump, court, etc. Unless there's a serious reason an investigation should become public, the FBI should keep quiet and do their job.

As for the testimony, there was kind of a double edge sword. If Comey had indicated that there was grounds for considering 'high crimes and misdemeanors' and he didn't report it to the AG, then he could be guilty of misprison, or possibly even obstruction himself. Talking about it under oath 3-4 months later is no excuse for not reporting it immediately. And I will tell you, if there was an indication of misprison, Sessions would be all over him like white on rice.

So, despite my schooling on the finer points of law, it appears that Trump's efforts to clear Flynn were for compassionate reasons, and did not come close to obstruction, even with the commentary about loyalty. After all, the dir of FBI does in fact report to the prez, and I would say that no matter the judgment of the media, and the left wing radicals there is 'no there, there'. NO smoking gun, bombshell, outrage, etc.

On with the show.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 01:14
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That's misprision.
Sorry for pedantry...
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 02:49
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Just like everywhere else, we all hear what we want to hear.

What I heard Comey say was
1.Trump was indeed never under investigation re Russia. Like he said.
2.Obama's AG Lynch ordered him to back off from Clinton
3.Comey didn't like Trump. Likewise he didn't like the prior 2 presidents.
4.Comey thought it was okay to leak confidential stuff to the NYTimes
5.McCain is indeed now fully senile.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 03:39
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
That's misprision.
Sorry for pedantry...
Yes, thank you. Sorry

I'm sure you know what it is, so I won't go further.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 06:37
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I think Comey is compelling.
But even if Mueller determines Trump should be held accountable on a charge of obstructing justice, I doubt that Trump stands the slightest chance of being impeached.
Even if the case against him is pretty blatant I get the sense there just aren't enough Republicans who give a flying fvck about what he's done.
They just want him in office - at any cost.
A sad state of affairs for the Grand Old Party.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 06:55
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post

Trump appears to be quite safe from Impeachment...

How? crimes and misdemeanors require intent. I think he is not intelligent enough to understand, let alone initiate 'intent'.....He is incapable of pausing long enough in his thought process to form the idea.
Good analysis, precisely the defense offered today by Paul Ryan, "he's new to this"
It may be true, he didn't have a clue, in any event the notion of having a President that engages in one-upmanship and Alpha male posturing at a bar room level of sophistication is quite endearing to those that voted for him.

The defense that Trump is Politically incorrect is a given, for the near future at least.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/...jPn#.sbnxEV25a

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Old 9th Jun 2017, 06:58
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Good analysis, precisely the defense offered today by Paul Ryan, "he's new to this"
What a comforting thought.

"Sorry for having nuked half the planet, but the President is new to dealing with the nuclear arsenal".
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 09:40
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Yeah - the problem is that in most jurisdictions, ignorance of the law ain't a defence.
"Aw schucks... it was just Donald being Donald, ya know?! Obstruction, schmuction; give him a break; he's a good guy! Do me a favour Mr Director - don't be so hard on my man Flynn."
That's the most favourable interpretation.
But sorry - even if the intention wasn't to obstruct - that's not the point.
The point is that he did.
And for those who may say naivete is a defence - then why did Trump order Kushner et al out of the room?
He knew exactly what he was doing.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 12:47
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" Aw schucks... it was just Donald being Donald, ya know?!
It's not like he is stealing charity money from kids with cancer.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 13:58
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It's not like he is stealing charity money from kids with cancer.
Or opening a charity for earthquake victims stuck in poverty then diverting all the money to a prez campaign. Oops, I'm not supposed to bring up the oppo, my bad.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 14:02
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It took a lot of courage to report on Clinton during the campaign, and his reasons are satisfactory.
His 13 minute Indictment of Clinton....followed by a completely erroneous discussion of "Intent" in a Statute that does not require "Intent" as any element of the Crime is where he went wrong.

If you watched the Committee Meeting live.....the one time Comey showed real emotion was in that one part.

I put that down to his knowing he was wrong...had allowed Clinton to walk as a result and he is very sensitive to criticism knowing he is wrong.

He told us that Lynch wanted the Clinton thing ended and that it be called a "Matter" not an "Investigation" thus the FBI would be parroting what the Clinton Campaign and Obama was saying.

Compound that with the DOJ (under Lynch and Holder) granting Immunity to all of the Principals in the Investigation thus safeguarding them from any Prosecution....the fix was in.

That folks is your Obstruction of Justice in all of this.

Ask yourself why Comey never took Notes or leaked anything about all of that?

Why did Comey never make public his concerns during all of that?

Loyalty?

Fear?
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 15:55
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You Americans lose! You no longer have the stoopidest leader in the free world!
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CG - a race to the bottom?
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From the 10m high board into an empty pool this end!
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 18:30
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From an outsider's perspective, it has been interesting to see James Comey being questioned, and compare him, and his performance, with President Trump. I have no idea at all whether James Comey was telling the truth or not, but if he was lying, then all I can say is that he seems very, very good at it. If I had to make a judgement about his character, based on what I've seen of him, then I'd have to say I think he was honest and sincere. He may well have made errors of judgement, but he came across as being someone who would not try and cover things up, but who may well have been a bit politically naive.

On the other hand, President Trump consistently appears to be disingenuous, at best, and frankly I'd not trust a single word he says, based on what we've seen of his body language, tweets, media appearances and statements.

If I had to make a snap decision between which of the two to trust, in order to save my life, right now it would be James Comey. Frankly I'd not trust President Trump at all, just because he seems to shift his view every other day, launch irrational attacks directly via twitter and seems to be pretty much out of control a lot of the time.

Of course, I may be completely wrong, and it wouldn't bother me in the least if I was shown to be. All I've had to form a judgement is what has been shown on the media, the Senate Intelligence Committee public hearing and President Trump's many tweets (he has a heck of a global following for those, that's for sure, they reckon a billion or so people around the world read them for entertainment).
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 19:49
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Important to remember that Power in American Government flows not from the established branches of government, but from the relationships between those who operate the Government directly, and the people who actually elected the players.

Simply put, when important people foul up, it is instructive to see what develops in its reportage, and in actions taken, if any.

The Press is a wholly owned subsidiary of this power station. Why is James Clapper given the time of day, let alone being sought out to report on Intel, and its implications?

It is because the CIA shapes and promotes fully fifty percent of what occurs in the United States, relative to Governance.

To become immune from prosecution, as in Hillary Clinton's case, is a reflection of the validity of what I am writing.

It takes time to create such a position, not to mention a high volume of cash, influence, and protected data. It started in Arkansas, with the CIA running drugs and weapons.

There is no other way to see it. More important than money, influence, and juice, the power is based on the "buddy" systerm. Relationships amongst the players are everything.

Not money, marbles, and chalk......
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 20:05
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Important to remember that Power in American Government flows not from the established branches of government, but from the relationships between those who operate the Government directly, and the people who actually elected the players.

Simply put, when important people foul up, it is instructive to see what develops in its reportage, and in actions taken, if any.

The Press is a wholly owned subsidiary of this power station. Why is James Clapper given the time of day, let alone being sought out to report on Intel, and its implications?

It is because the CIA shapes and promotes fully fifty percent of what occurs in the United States, relative to Governance.

To become immune from prosecution, as in Hillary Clinton's case, is a reflection of the validity of what I am writing.

It takes time to create such a position, not to mention a high volume of cash, influence, and protected data. It started in Arkansas, with the CIA running drugs and weapons.

There is no other way to see it. More important than money, influence, and juice, the power is based on the "buddy" systerm. Relationships amongst the players are everything.

Not money, marbles, and chalk......
Quite wide of the mark.

We prosecute against our laws, not against the person or political party.

Put aside if you will, what you think you know and await real prosecuteable facts , not just personally assessed traits.
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Old 9th Jun 2017, 20:49
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Who is the current President, I'm a little fuzzy...

So is Trump obstructing justice? Clinton!!!!!!
What is happening to healthcare? Obama!!!!!
Did Russia infiltrate the Trump Administration? Benghazi!!!!!
What is our response to the recent terror attacks? Clinton!!!!!
Is the Trump administration diluting Russian sanctions for personal gain? Clinton!!!!
Are we supporting NATO Article 5? Obama!!!!!
Are we part of the global initiative on Climate Change? Obama!!!!!

Having won the big lottery on November 8th, all those difficult questions became the property of the TV Reality Show host currently residing at Pennsylvania Avenue. Shouting at clouds or the previous administration speaks volumes. Deflection and obfuscation are a classic trick for those with room temperature IQs or politicians, often a mutually inclusive grouping.
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