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Old 27th Mar 2017, 00:31
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In all the hilarity at the DC branch of the Dumas' epic failure, it worth remembering that the real victims will be the millions of Americans who will soon find out what it's like to have no effective health care.
We finally agree. As ACA collapses, many millions will realize they should have been praying that the repeal and replace bill had been successful rather than gloating in the moment it failed.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 02:23
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
We finally agree. As ACA collapses, many millions will realize they should have been praying that the repeal and replace bill had been successful rather than gloating in the moment it failed.
True - OK many people didnt like the Trumpcare plan but at least it was something, a lot of people seem to be of the mistaken view that doing nothing is an option. When the first State to have no insurers operating (Oklahoma?) and Obamacare collapses there will be an awful lot of people saying why didnt Congress do something...
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 02:49
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When the first State to have no insurers operating (Oklahoma?) and Obamacare collapses there will be an awful lot of people saying why didnt Congress do something..
Our congress works best when they can show their constituents that they actually did something that was asked for.

They are very poor at preventing anything except the other guys proposals.

Somebody is going to make a lot of money on this second guessing congress.

I'm not sure whether to invest in the insurance industry or the medical industry and when?
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 04:32
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Perhaps the funeral home industry might be a better option. The snowflakes laughing it up the past few days will be the first to feel the effects of ACA tanking. They'll need an eternal resting spot sooner rather than later.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 04:37
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Statistically, it's Trump's voter base that will be culled first in case ACA collapses...
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 05:07
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I'd ask for evidence beyond your imagination, but either way it doesn't matter as Trump tried to fix it, so the long term blame falls on ACA, be it dead dems or otherwise.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 05:16
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If that was Trump's (Ryan's?) best attempt to "fix" ACA, then we can consider it demonstrated once and for all that the man is neither smart nor any kind of dealmaker... Seems you guys went for a right con-man... Tired of winning yet?
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 06:01
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It's hilarious. One minute Trump is Literally Hitler, the next he's incompetent. The left just can't keep The Narrative together any more.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 06:15
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Your point? Hitler was incompetent and got his country destroyed and 10s of millions killed in return for a shallow grave (or South American exile).
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 06:16
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If that was Trump's (Ryan's?) best attempt to "fix" ACA,
The key is to understand the topic. It wasn't a fix for ACA, it was a replacement. I get it, your burden of knowledge is low as you're simply jousting on a BB, but don't feel compelled to show how little you know.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 06:33
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Forsooth, how short is your attention span WC???? It amused me to pick up the word "fix" because you used it yourself in the very post preceding mine... You're not doing yourself any favors here...
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 14:29
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The "fix" has been in since 1993, when a brash and politically illiterate First Lady figured she could slam dunk "Socialized Medicine" down the throats of financially advantaged corporations, who relied on the "Middle" as any bookie would.

Shortest answer? Single payer is inevitable...but

The best we can hope for is that it will be optional, (opting out), rather than compulsory. Why? Because people who can afford to pay the middle, to obtain golden medical care, should not be forced to accept basic, and marginal care or to pay through the nose to treat the poor, the lazy, and the ignorant.

Some form of Medicaid is inevitable, Medicare works, and insurance companies are taking big dough under false pretenses.

I don't need a college dropout insurance salesman to suture my son's ouchie.

Insurance has eff all to do with the provision of quality healthcare.....
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 16:03
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post

Shortest answer? Single payer is inevitable...but

The best we can hope for is that it will be optional, (opting out), rather than compulsory.
If you allow opting out then it becomes unaffordable - which is the main problem with Obamacare.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 16:10
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Let's be clear. The troubles with ObamaCare are primarily limited to:

- the individual market - people who do not receive health coverage through work, or some other government program (Medicare, Medicaid, VA). And thus must buy their own.

Which is about 15% of U.S. households

- in regions with such low population density that there is not enough of an actuarial pool to distribute costs. Hard for even one insurer to find enough customers to spread the risk, let alone several.

I totally understand that self-employed farmers, farm equipment salespeople, coffee-shop operators in central Nebraska, Iowa, Oklahoma, Louisiana, etc. etc. don't get the same service from the ACA that is working very well, thank you, in Denver, New York, LA and other places with massive populations (1,000,000+) to spread the risk and major corporations to offer health as an included work benefit. Which is where more than half of Americans live (174 million out of 320 million).

Of course, any health care is somewhat more problematic in a place where one is lucky to find one major health center within a 100-mile radius, as opposed to 10 within a 10-mile-radius. Rural and small-town life has its plusses - and minuses. Always has.

The ACA needs fixing for that population. But it is not imploding for most people.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 16:41
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Jet II,

Like most government programs, such as Social .Security, if it is so good, why can't it be voluntary and compete with other offerings?

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Old 27th Mar 2017, 16:44
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Our congress works best when they can show their constituents that they actually did something that was asked for.
Therein lies the problem--the constitutents expecting government to fix THEIR problem. Cut the Federal budget by half and give back the money

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Old 27th Mar 2017, 21:29
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If an Insurance/Annuity Salesman sat at your Dinner Table and tried to sell you a product with the exact same "Rules" as Social Security....you would throw him out of the house on his ear and loose the Dog on him!
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 22:41
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
If an Insurance/Annuity Salesman sat at your Dinner Table and tried to sell you a product with the exact same "Rules" as Social Security....you would throw him out of the house on his ear and loose the Dog on him!
Not sure about that. If he offered me a deal that cost (say) 12% of my annual income between 8,000 and 43,000, and then 2% of my income above that which would buy me:

1. Free medical care including emergency, general practice, obs/gynae, surgical, geriatrics, cancers and in fact pretty well everything except elective surgery. All with no exclusions or surcharges for pre-existing or long-term illnesses.

2. Fixed-price medications at 8 per prescription (regardless of type), with even this charge being waved for anyone with a persistent condition controlled with drugs (diabetics, hypothyroids etc)

3. Capped cost dentistry.

4. Welfare payments in the event of unemployment or low-wage employment.

5. A basic old age pension

6. Free medical, emergency and dental cover for my kids

...then I think I'd do a few quick sums and realise that it was a much better deal that the corrupt american system which seems to be targeted primarily on lining the pockets of HMOs and ensuring that the wealthy right-wing nutjobs get care while poor people die.

But of course most of the wealthy right-wing nut-jobs can't do the basic maths and still think that a third of their median income to provide a fraction of the cover for their families is a better deal...

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Old 27th Mar 2017, 23:37
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PDR, I suggest that you use dollars, and make a reference to the Social Security system that SASless was referring to, rather than make something up.
that the corrupt american system which seems to be targeted primarily on lining the pockets of HMOs
Please, in the future, read for comprehension rather than simply using a post by someone else to go off on a rant.


In the US, Social Security has Nothing to do with the three health care issues the US government has a hand in:
Medicare
Medicaid
Obamacare and this thing being attempt to overwrite it.

The Social Security system has been known to be a pyramid scheme since about the 1960's when the benefits were greatly expanded. Do a little homework so that you can understand SASless' post.
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Old 28th Mar 2017, 00:05
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Lonelywolf - I didn't make anything up. What I described was the UK National Insurance system, contrasting it with the american system.

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