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Old 24th Mar 2017, 02:43
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From what I can research re Ukraine, the American CIA had a lot to do with creating the unrest there, presumably so NATO, after promising faithfully to move no further East after the fall of the Soviet Union, could set up their missiles on the Russian border.

One can recall the furore when the Russians dispatched missiles to be based on Cuban soil, surely the Russians, thru Mr Putin, can also register their dislike of NATO forces and missiles, right alongside their border????
 
Old 24th Mar 2017, 03:13
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The FBI is doing what it is told to do. Comey is not in charge. Clapper and the old dogs at the company are in control.
Trying to catch up after a few days away from the scrum. You're speaking in present tense from the structure of your sentence, what is Clapper in control of?

Another Clapper caper...apologies to Johnny Carson, one of his best skits.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 03:16
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If you're to the point of having to post emojis like that to express your emotions over something that has nothing to do with you, then you have a problem.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 04:09
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Do you really think, he'll be happy with taking SOME of the Ukraine?

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"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.


Given that the press report is slanted towards the political view of the reporter, and the paper owner, the strife in Ukraine is far from being created solely by Russia.
 
Old 24th Mar 2017, 07:22
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Rev

If you're to the point of having to post emojis like that to express your emotions over something that has nothing to do with you, then you have a problem.
The emojis express exactly how I feel about the responses from the Trumpeteers on this board and how do you come to the conclusion its got nothing to do with me?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 07:32
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Are you a US citizen? Are you a Russian citizen?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 08:17
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prospector: A couple of good posts there, particularly with ref to Ukraine. People can argue or discuss the events in Ukraine until the cows come home but it won't alter the fact that the president was the elected president. It doesn't matter if he was a good, bad or indifferent president, he had been democratically elected. Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkC4Z67QuC0
It may, for all we know, be "faked news" or not. Certainly food for thought.
galaxy flyer: In pedantic mode here but Russia was not always an expansionist empire. The USSR may have been for approximately 50 years.
West Coast:
Are you a US citizen? Are you a Russian citizen?
Since WW2, the US has strode the world letting everyone know by word and actions that they are the world's policeman. So the actions of the US government become the concern of all people, not merely the population of the US.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 09:33
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West Coast, I am neither but KelvinD answers you quite succinctly and based on my previous life experience, I'm guessing I know a lot more about Russia than you do.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 10:00
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The Russian Empire prerevolution not expansionary? Really? I must have read the wrong history books.

Ignoring the "Great Game" between the Russian and British empires One of the reasons the Germans helped start WWI was because they thought they only had about 3 years before Russia was prepared to attack them. And the Russians, eyeing the imminent demise of the Ottoman Empire had plans not only to complete the annexation of the complete Caucasus and its oil reserves but also what we now know as Turkey - they already had a new name assigned for Constantinople (Tsargrad)......

Russian Expansion in the 19th Century - Everything2.com

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...cmeekin-review
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 14:35
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"you display your anti-American, conspiracy theories while enjoying the employment opportunity of the US. Why do you find America so attractive when you plainly hate our system?"

Galaxy,

I guess i should make my position a little clearer. I am of the opinion that the political system in the US and the UK and Australia and many other apparently "democratic" countries, although well intentioned and moderately effective in managing minor issues is largely held to ransom by powerful interests that sit below the surface unseen and generally not noticed by most voters. Money corrupts . . .

I dont mean to imply that the deep state in the US is any worse than in other countries. One only needs to examine the certain big ticket policy positions that remain unchanged over many different administrations to realise that the party in power is often unable to alter certain policies that the deep state hold dearly.

The "system" is inanimate and not something worthy of human emotion such as hate. Or love.

I am not a Trump supporter and I am not a Clinton supporter but I do see them as representing seperate powerful interests that have competing agendas particularly with regards to Russia.

Trumps apparent inclination to soften US foreign policy towards Russia and possible suggestion that they could be considered friends, although logical, represents a significant departure from the accepted script and is something for which he is presently paying. Pro Russia Flynn was a warning shot.

We are living in very dangerous times. Its not a coincidence that Russia and China are now surrounded by western forces. Shadow play is underway in the south China sea. Syria is being exploited for proxy reasons. North Korea is being demonized way beyond its military intent or worth.

Money and energy are the big game that is driving western foreign policy all over the globe and is WAY bigger than the resident of the WH.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 14:41
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Russians, eyeing the imminent demise of the Ottoman Empire had plans not only to complete the annexation of the complete Caucasus and its oil reserves
Really ?:

What oil reserves were presently known at that time that attracted the Russians?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 15:12
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See below, it was the start of the present oil industry....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr..._in_Azerbaijan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tran...ailway#History
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 17:29
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It is not that it has nothing to do with you....
But your posts being seen as irrelevant by so many would seem to have a lot to do with you.





Originally Posted by Revnetwork View Post
The emojis express exactly how I feel about the responses from the Trumpeteers on this board and how do you come to the conclusion its got nothing to do with me?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 18:28
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Whether Putin tried to sway the election or not isn't pertinent, Trump is the President. There wasn't any ballot box stuffing, voters didn't have guns to their head as they pulled the lever. The DNC's words, deeds and dirty game play were exposed, where that came from is the only point in question. To attempt to twist that into a larger factually unsupported case that the data release equals the US overseas actions is drama queen material.

No, it doesn't affect you. Emoji away, but you're raising your blood pressure needlessly over something that won't affect you regardless of the source of the documents.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 20:41
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Victory for Americans, Failure for Trump

After Trump ordered a vote on his so called health care bill, Repubs pull the bill. Makes Trump a loser.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 21:02
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After Trump ordered a vote on his so called health care bill, Repubs pull the bill. Makes Trump a loser.
He was only trying to facilitate what he was elected to do. Even the republicans in congress agree he did that job well.

At this point the Republican Party is the loser unless they figure out a way of salvaging what was promised.

If they can't do it, then the electorate will replace the weak links in congress.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 21:02
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Republicans......they wonder why so many of us are completely fed up with the Establishment RINO's.....Seven Years....control of both Houses of Congress and the White House and they cannot Repeal and Replace Obamacare!

Lord have a Duck!

Time to see some people sent packing in 2018!
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 22:13
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My take is a bit different.

Repubs tried to do what Demos did: build a huge healthcare bill in just a few weeks, mostly in the dark and formerly smoky back rooms. Almost no input from the health care practitioners. No understanding of the economics of the whole industry. (Remind anyone of Pelosi??) In a rush to get "something...anything" through. (Remind anyone of Pelosi??)

Can't be done. When it came time to stand up, they weren't together.

Trump was right, as he usually is. They need to tackle budget and tax policy first, leave health care for later after they've had time to craft something that will work.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 22:39
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Just as Obamacare produced winners and losers, so did Ryancare. You can't get much done without creating winners who are diverse and impotent and losers who are pointed like sabot round and very strong.

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Old 24th Mar 2017, 22:41
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
He was only trying to facilitate what he was elected to do.
And he failed - the clever trick is to only promise stuff you might actually be able to deliver.


(The problem with that approach is that you then lose to the other guy, who lies through his teeth and promises a completely undeliverable moon on a stick.)
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