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Old 20th Feb 2017, 01:40
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Then why are Democrats so into group identity politics--gays, blacks, immigrants--divided into different tribes rather than US persons? Why those "Democrats" became Republicans is because of Democrats becoming the party of group identities.

And stop denying the history of 150 years of Democratic rule, you can't run from your history.

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Old 20th Feb 2017, 02:08
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Liberal thinkers brought us: the end to slavery, women's right to vote, black's right to vote, Civil Rights, a woman's right to choose, the end to prohibition, regulation against polluting, worker abusing industrialists, and universal health care. Modern liberalism has more Democratic Presidents as standard bearers than members of the GOP ever had. Are you aware of any 'liberal' Lincoln-esque/TR Republicans in office today? If so, pass on some legitimate names and I'll vote for them.

Those Democrats you speak of joined the Republican Party because the GOP platform was more aligned with their conservative beliefs including that of white male rule and maintaining the status quo. The drift of the Dixiecrats and Southern Democrats towards the GOP began with FDR, with a tipping point happening with the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and proof of the change came about in 1980 with President Reagan's winning "Southern Strategy". That's the real history and the movement started over a half century ago.

The use of successful dentity politics is a primary reason for Trump's win, GF. Historically, the GOP at large had no need for such a thing - if you were conservative, the mathematical chance of your being white and male (and Christian) was fairly straightforward - and high, however make no mistake, identity politics has been used by both parties for decades now.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 02:35
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I already know the vitriol that is no doubt pouring the way of Senator McCain, but for those interested in world affairs it seems that there is serious pushback forming:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d61b74338d63

My prediction is that Bannon et al are trying to decide who they should, via surrogate press outlets, try to reputationally destroy first...McCain, Mattis, or those who agree with them. Don't believe for a moment that Trump will not go after Mattis and others like Kelly if he thinks that independent threat analysis and coalition building ever drifts from the cult of loyalty demanded by the WH staff and POTUS.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Frankly I was surprised though that McCain 's remarks were as strong as they were even though there was no one person named.

Bonus round: I wonder what PPruner is going to fail the intelligence test by launching into an ad hominem against McCain instead of actually dissecting the remarks, where they were made, and why they were made?

Moderators, will I be allowed to point out, politely and without malice, this lack of intelligence when it invariably crops up?
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 02:39
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We don't want any TR Republicans--he brought us empire, war, big Federal government with ever-growing power. Dems brought us popular vote for senators, ruining the balance between the states and federal government; an income tax which was part of the deal that brought us Prohibition under Wilson. "Universal health care" ain't working out so well lately and you can't have a "right" to something I have to pay for--that's robbery, not rights.

TR also said, "a hyphenated American isn't an American at all". Where does that fit in?
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 03:27
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The above 50 IQ Trump supporters will switch to anti when they loose their health care
Couldn't help but chuckle at Sultan's swipe at Trump voters IQ when they loose their health care.

Is that what you British call irony?
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 03:37
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Joe Manchin (D-WV) said with Trump in the WH, "I'm a West Virgina Democrat, the ones with common sense left."

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Old 20th Feb 2017, 04:31
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Trump Fact Finding Mission

Vice President Mike Pence paid a somber visit to the site of the Dachau concentration camp on Sunday, walking along the grounds where tens of thousands of people were killed during World War II.
Trump Admin appears to be researching Nazi concentration camps. Unclear whether this is for getting ideas for future camps in the US for Muslims and the LGBQ or just to investigate if Jews were actually victims of the Holocaust.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 04:49
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"a hyphenated American isn't an American at all".
That is an interesting question. Just why do some feel compelled to label themselves in such a manner? The only other example that comes readily to mind is "French-Canadian" and the reason for that appellation is that many French Quebecers still feel they are separate to some major degree and indeed were French until they lost a war, long, long ago.


Does that reasoning apply to all those who prefix and qualify their citizenship with some defining "other"?
Particularly irritating is "African-American" as the reality is that 98% have never set foot in Africa. Other labels such as "Somali-American" do imply a sort of hedging of loyalties.


I have never heard of anyone calling themselves an "Italian-Canadian" or "Polish-British" (add other nationalities as required). I do know of Canadians with Italian heritage.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 05:04
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" Couldn't help but chuckle at Sultan's swipe at Trump voters IQ when they loose their health care.

Is that what you British call irony? "


Not at all ironic....it's more to do with the British spirit of generosity.... given the very charitable, albeit definitive, IQ level suggested.

And then we have this opinion.....difficult, if not impossible, to not be able make the correlation in so many respects given the many utterances on a common theme.....the UK's own media rag, and readership, of similar sentiments also gets a justified mention...

'Enemies of the people': Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - BBC News
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 05:05
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Unclear whether this is for getting ideas for future camps in the US for Muslims and the LGBQ
No need to go to Europe for that, a Democrat already mastered that with Executive order 9066 which interned Japanese - Americans. You might have heard of him, FDR.

Even then, Democrats were the party of division.

Historical note, it was a Republican President who rescinded EO 9066, President Ford in 1976.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 05:33
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The US president's use of "enemies of the people" raises unavoidable echoes of some of history's most murderous dictators.

Only raises the echos of history to a BBC journalist who delights in sh*t stirring and going their bit for the childish, petulant Democrats, in any other setting it is just more BS.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 06:29
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Democrat already mastered that with Executive order 9066 which interned Japanese - Americans. You might have heard of him, FDR.
Under the guidance and recommendation of military commanders, the attorney general and governor of California was this action taken. It was a different time, of that we can be sure.

While you're pillorying liberals, let's not forget that liberal lion of the Supreme Court, the man best remembered for being on the correct side of history on Civil Rights, 1st Amendment issues, and due process, among his many other landmark rulings, US Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. Warren was not a constitutionalist like Justice Scalia. Justice Warren believed common decency and common sense should trump any mere literal reading of the constitution.

The Unacknowledged Lesson: Earl Warren and the Japanese Relocation Controversy - August 1979

The internment of Japanese Americans was Warren's most bitter and shameful memory, and he says as much in his personal memoirs.

it was a Republican President who rescinded EO 9066, President Ford in 1976.
Not unlike the man, it was a fairly useless gesture. President Jimmy Carter was the one that commissioned a study of the effects of internment which led to the eventual US government official apology, begun by President Reagan and finalized under President George HW Bush (the good Bush).

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Old 20th Feb 2017, 06:44
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Of course the British can tell the Americans all about internment camps.......

Internment in Northern Ireland
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 06:54
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The US president's use of "enemies of the people" raises unavoidable echoes of some of history's most murderous dictators.


"If you want to preserve Democracy as we know it, you need to have a free, and many times adversarial press. Without it, I'm afraid we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started".

"What would von Kleist's generation (WWII Germany) have to say if they saw our world today? I feel much about it would be all too familiar for them and they would be alarmed by it. They would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values and toward old ties of blood and race and sectarianism. "

"They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see towards immigrants and refugees and minority groups, especially Muslims."

"They would be alarmed by the growing inability and unwillingness to separate truth from lies. They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism, and romanticizing it, as a moral equivalent. "

"What would alarm them most I think is a sense that many of our peoples, including in our own country, are giving up on the West - that they see it as a bad deal that we may be better off without."

Republican Party elder statesman and Senator, John McCain at Munich Security Conference, Feb 2017, proudly and patriotically eviscerating Trump and Bannon's modus operandi.

https://www.securityconference.de/en/
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 07:51
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The MSM seems to e in hysterics after Trump tpicked Sweden as an example of the consequences of inadequately investigated immigration. The suggestion being he had made it up. So I thought I'd check to see what he might have seen reported on that peaceful land.

Swedish court hands life sentence to Syrian asylum seeker |

https://www.tuko.co.ke/231183-man-ki...st-photos.html Man who killed 8-year-old boy with GRENADE found murdered before police could arrest him.


Yep, just another quite day in multicultural Sweden......
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 08:17
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Stuff Sweden - I want to know what Trump's going to do about Germany after the appalling events of last night.

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Old 20th Feb 2017, 09:04
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The MSM seems to e in hysterics after Trump tpicked Sweden as an example of the consequences of inadequately investigated immigration. The suggestion being he had made it up. So I thought I'd check to see what he might have seen reported on that peaceful land.

Swedish court hands life sentence to Syrian asylum seeker |

https://www.tuko.co.ke/231183-man-ki...st-photos.html Man who killed 8-year-old boy with GRENADE found murdered before police could arrest him.


Yep, just another quite day in multicultural Sweden......
So how does multicultural USA measure up, as killings, rape and terrorism is concerned?
Not that I'm defending Sweden, as a Norwegian I would not dream of it.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 09:26
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Well the native Americans would certainly point out the long term problems of mass unregulated immigration, just as Sweden would seem to point out some of the problems of short term. Both object lessons for the natives perhaps.....
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 09:53
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Interesting take I thought.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 10:10
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Interesting take I thought.
It is an interesting observation on what seems to be happening, but was it intentional on the part of the new President? Somehow I doubt it very much, I think it's just a happy accident for him that he found a button to push that would give him an edge.
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