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Old 17th Feb 2017, 03:42
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Originally Posted by vapilot2004 View Post
Your side is terrified of Schumer's real objective - get Trump and his team of bozos, many fully bereft of ethics, in front of an independent Congressional committee, their lies and transgressions on display for all to witness.

Man oh Manischewitz, did you ever get that read wrong! It's more like Democrats are smelling blood and with the help of a few upstanding, ethical GOP members of Congress, there will be a reckoning soon where the truth will come out in the pure light of day.

Consider it payback for all of the horse shite Clinton and Obama put up with over the past decade or so from certain partisan, foaming at the mouth members of the GOP - one fruitless and useless investigation after another.

The difference this time around? Fruit, low hanging, ripe, and plenty of it, including some of that "strange fruit" more than a few of Trump's top people have swingin' from trees in their own racist backyards.
Interesting POV. I suspect strongly that Schumer is angling for the DNC support for 2020. He's a fairly political guy, and he's fairly clean. Has aspirations of being the next Hahvahd Kennedy(he isn't). As for the GOP members swinging from trees, I guess we will see what we will see. Right now, the casualty list is a somewhat thin legal argument that Flynn violated the Logan act. Don't see it coming to fruition but, maybe.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 04:16
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I object!
The CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and has been around a hell of a lot longer than some congressional caucus. To use it at a press conference displays a level of insular ignorance.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 04:17
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Read "Devil's Chessboard" by Salon's David Talbot.
I've read it, GF. Thanks for the reference. The historically accurate journey Talbot goes on in the early chapters of the book is fascinating reading, but he then shifts into the nether-worldly realm of stuff that can only be described as "out there" at the kindest, with conspiratorial, being closer to the truth.

In Talbot's and your defense, while I have little doubt of corporate malfeasance, greed, and a manifest destiny mindset remains in power circles that have the eyes and ears of those at the highest elected levels of our government, I have faith in our checks and balances containing the threat, particularly if the American people turn off the damn televisions, get off their lazy butts, and get outside and actually do something, including standing up to corruption and misguided Federal policies. Am I being naive? Are we a lost cause?

Trump wants to appear as a savior outsider, he is instead, a player of a much smaller game, one where racism, public division and obedience based on propaganda, and unfettered greed outweighs integrity and honor - not unlike Putin's Russia.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 04:43
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You may not like his style or tone...but the man showed up and went toe to toe with the media....I find that refreshing even if I do find his wording other than I would like to hear.
I agree - I give him credit for that. Sort of - I think a weekly press conference should be considered part of the basic job description of POTUS and not something for special commendation, but no president has lived up to that, at least recently.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 04:54
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The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming.

Act III

Americans, and particularly citizens of the US who are political novices(many on this very forum) consider and/or discuss Russia as if it were politically monolithic. Trust me, nothing could be further from the truth. Since the fall of the Soviets after Gorby, the govt of Russia became much like a combination of colonial bicameral legislature(Duma) and parliament(president appoints a PM, currently Medvedev). This is not a lesson on Russian politics, but before getting into the interference in US elections, it's nice to know who the players are.

Act IV
As with all world legislatures, there is more than one party, except in a legislature of an oligarchy, where there is typically one party. In Russia of today, the conservatives hold a vast majority of the Duma, also the presidency, and the PM spot. However, they are not monolithic by any stretch. Also, even moreso than US political parties, there are numerous cases of infighting, and defections from policy positions that the United Russian party supposedly supports.

While I say they are 'conservative' this is also a rather sketchy comparison to the Republicans of the US. In fact, they are a fairly loose organization of several voting blocks which for lack of a better term, don't fight among themselves too much. The Russians call the political term 'holding hands'. Natch, I guess - in the interest of picking a better candidate for the US presidency, the United Russia party would likely support, or at the very least prefer Trump over Clinton.

Having said that, there are certain moneyed interests in Russia with very close ties to the Clinton family. It's been reported, and doesn't require expanding on about the financial goings on between the Clinton family, and certain businesses in Russia. Just know that there are activities on both sides of our political interference. It would appear from our intelligence gathering activities that there has been some attempts at swaying of US votes. Likely the majority of the actions toward Trump and away from Clinton, however I think there's been some actions both directions.

What I am SURE of, is that the investigative reportage of the activities of the various Russian influence has been completely and totally one sided. I like good investigative reporting. I think it's a tool that needs to be wielded so things like the Flynn goof up can be nipped in the bud. As lousy as it is to leak, we have ample evidence of it's effectiveness from 'Deep throat'(Mark Clark) which brought down a corrupt president. In this case, I don't think Flynn was corrupt, but certainly he's played fast and loose with the truth, and I want that kind of stuff reported and let the chips fall where they may.

Act V
This is where the train goes off the end of the tracks. As we all are aware, it's not the primary act which gets people in trouble - it's the cover-up. The media is now on the warpath with some variation of 'what did he[sic; Trump] know, and when did he know it. I'm fairly convinced that Trump knew Flynn was having discussions with a Russian ambassador, and it's even possible that Trump directed him to begin discussions. This would be informal, as the pres-elect was not in office, and Flynn was not a govt employee at the time. But it makes common sense that during the flap over Russian involvement in the election, where the then-current admin laid down some sanctions, that the new guy would be working to change the tenor and tone of the relationship.

And here's where things get messy. Trump is a bombastic and flamboyant type of guy. So - why didn't he just go on record with the media as telling his advisors to contact the Russians informally, and let them know there would be a new sheriff in town soon and just cool their jets? My question is not rhetorical, and I will answer with complete honesty that everything from here on in is total speculation, but seems likely.

Trump is an international businessman. He is used to doing business in private. He knows that nothing can kill a good deal like leaking financial or economic, or business inside info. So, combined with his internal, and insider political advisors, he decided to keep this quiet. This - was a tactical mistake. Further, keeping it 'quiet' in light of the hatred, and frothing of the liberal media was destined to failure. It was going to come out, and come out it did, with serious damage to his reputation, and his political capital.

There is a lot, a whole metric ton of info that should and must be kept secret from within the walls of our govt, and the Russian govt. However, a pres-elect is not the voice of the people, until after inauguration. Trump was still a private citizen, Flynn was a deputy of nothing, and a retired army officer. He should have known better, and as an officer should have not taken the job of liaison between two political giants(Trump and Putin).

Final act
Flynn is done for. He's out, he's lining the bird cage, and not soon enough. I worked around some high ranking officers during my tours, and I knew and trusted many of them, but there were a few who could only be described as hacks. Sadly, when it comes to regular army officers, anyone who ranks higher than Brig Gen or maybe Maj Gen(2 stars) moves from strategic genius to political hack. It's the nature of the beast. I strongly think that Trump should have made his position known publicly; "Of course I have people talking to the Russian federation. We have a lot to discuss for the future stability and gain of the US, and Russia". Would have at least broken the link of the media in finding some back alley nefarious activity. Nothing wrong with talking with Russia. We are not like them, we don't really trust them, but hey - lets keep the lines of comm open. But no, Trump listened to his security advisors, and fell back on his business acumen, and made the wrong choice. Lesson learned, and he won't be making that kind of mistake again.

Coda
Much of the media's attention is geared toward supporting their own driving agenda of supporting a finding of 'crisis' or 'chaos' or 'renegade' or 'meltdown'(they are going to wear out the thesaurus pretty soon!) in Trump's admin. This isn't the first mistake that will be made, but early mis-steps by other admins in the first 30 days haven't been so blown out of proportion. Having said that, I will freely admit that Trump is in some cases his own worst enemy by bombast, and flamboyance. It could just possibly be, that Trump is once again using the media to his own gain. We will see what actual policy effects will come while the media is frothing over the Flynn scalp.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 10:02
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I absolutely loved the tweet from Hugh Laurie after yesterday's bizarre pres conference:

Originally Posted by Hugh
Will there be a separate news conference for the verbs?
...and the brilliant responses:

Of course! Only the best verbs, the greatest verbs. They're tremendous, these verbs, believe me.
It's like German, the last book in the series has all the verbs in it.
Verbs are being refused entry to the US right now.
Yes, now that Betsy Davos has scrapped the Subject Verb Agreement, the Prez has no choice...
If you have a 70 word vocabulary you'd be crazy to waste too many of them on verbs (& just 3 adjectives- big, tremendous, huge)
we are going to build a huge verb and the nouns are going to pay for it
Donald Trump - making America Grate...

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 10:08
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Untruth = Lie
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 10:15
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I enjoyed this, which I first picked up on the the ARD Tagesschau website this morning:-

Donald Trump and Theresa May in Lie Lie Land street art in Camden, London | Metro News

Made me laugh.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 11:07
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Heard, and possibly mis-heard a quote from a Russian journal relayed on the BBC at 1230 GMT. "You have to be drunk to understand Donald Trump"

Perhaps the love affair is over.

From BBC website
On Friday, Russia's most popular tabloid, Komsomolskaya Pravda, accused President Trump of making "contradictory" statements about Nato.

The paper points out: "(During the election campaign) Trump had called the Alliance obsolete and useless. Less than two months have passed since he moved into the Oval Office and he's already expressed full support for Nato.

"As the saying goes, you need to be drunk to understand the true position of America's president."

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 12:02
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Fitit. Mhmm all the places you quote ARE in England. The people in the 7 countries are NOT necessarily Muslim. QED
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 12:51
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As we know, SASless is, ostensibly, a Guardian reader....so; it's a surprise that being such, he hasn't included this piece in his missives, or homilies, to Saint ( pending ) Donald...

Thus, ever helpful, here's the piece in question...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cism-not-funny
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 13:09
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
As we know, SASless is, ostensibly, a Guardian reader....so; it's a surprise that being such, he hasn't included this piece in his missives, or homilies, to Saint ( pending ) Donald...

Thus, ever helpful, here's the piece in question...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...cism-not-funny

I think that after the way they have behaved over the past year or so the media deserve a good bashing..
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 13:11
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I think that after the way they have behaved over the past year or so the media deserve a good bashing..
Fake news; totaly fake.

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 15:05
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So again, my question to all you haters out there, on both sides, why have you not taken Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition to task over there failure to help inner city kids of all shades over the last 30 years or so?
Why have you not called out Rob Emmanuel for his failure to at least stem the bloodshed in Chicago?

Being a single Citizen of a very large country with a hugely complex system of government and media.....trust me....I has been very vocal about their demonstrated failures...nay....refusal to accept any role or blame in the sad situation we see in places like Chicago.

You have to remember we are coming out of eight very dark years of an administration that had a singular purpose when it came to Race Relations and that was not to admit the truth and only to create division and unrest however possible between the Races.

Trump is not the only person to call for change and improvements and he shall be judged on how well he lives up to his promises. If he succeeds in mending some Hearts and reducing crime and poverty inside our major Cities....he shall undo everything Lyndon Johnson bragged about when he got the Great Society Programs made Law.

The Establishment Democrats fear nothing more than losing the Black Vote as that shall spell the end of their ability to win elections at the Federal Level.

LBJ: 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 15:59
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Why have you not called out Rob Emmanuel for his failure to at least stem the bloodshed in Chicago?
I think his first name's Rahm.
Rahm Israel Emanuel (/ˈrɑːm/ ; born November 29, 1959) is an American politician who serves as the 55th Mayor of Chicago.
As to VADM Harward declining the offer ... well crap, that was always going to be the problem with a President Trump. Who wants to work for that guy? I can see VADM H doing an analysis of the terrain he'd be operating in, regarding such folks as Bannon, and making a decision to not engage on ground not of his own choosing.


We lost a good one there. (Further comments censored ...)
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 16:32
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Perhaps The guy's family did not want him to undergo the treatment the Democrat Senators would dish out to him during the Confirmation Hearings as it is plain the political Kabuki they are doing is all about petty partisan politics and posturing for the cameras rather than confirming the Nominee's fitness for the position.

Just wait for the Gorsuch Hearing...want to bet the very same Senate that unaminously confirmed him for his current seat will vote almost Party line this time?
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 16:39
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As to VADM Harward declining the offer ... well crap, that was always going to be the problem with a President Trump. Who wants to work for that guy?
Yup. When considering a job offer one of the factors is reputational risk - "what will it look like having that job on my CV?".
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 16:47
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You have to remember we are coming out of eight very dark years of an administration that had a singular purpose when it came to Race Relations and that was not to admit the truth and only to create division and unrest however possible between the Races.
Let's see how Trump heals the divide. Clearly not by resorting to gesture politics. Is every black person in America subject to a restraining order fobidding them to be in a photo with The Don?

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 17:23
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A bit more about that now, well, defining press conference, the one most of us watched, apart from those living in the newly created Trump parallel Universe that is...

UK readers, and no doubt our more astute American readers will recognise the names here...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...h-cheerleaders

And of course, not forgetting that bastion of impartial, factually correct, and any other superlative that can be offered, media source so adored in rednecktopia......begins with a B as we know.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 17:58
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The good Admiral may have been asking for a bit much, as in he wanted to be able to name his staff.
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