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Old 16th Feb 2017, 22:00
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Don't you find it odd that any time the 7 countries ban is mentioned in the press they always add "mostly Muslim" Whilst that may be so the ban does not mention religion so why do the press stir it. Seems Mr Trump has a point about the press.
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 22:20
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
Oh this is sensational - Trump is the overnight gift that just keeps on giving.
An hour long whine at the media.
Bob Harward - approve Sir - and Gen Mattis is actually looking like a dignified, stand-up guy with much gravitas in his discussions with NATO.
As opposed to his pathetic, man-child of a Commander in Chief.
And there clearly are some very pissed off spooks at Fort Meade and Langley, and rightly so too.
True patriots doing what is needed to protect their country.
Privately these soldiers must be deeply embarrassed by Trump, surely?
Aside from the ones who flew his flag...
Did anyone take notice of the female African American reporter and the exchange they had?

If so it would appear Schumer is cracking the whip to prevent members of the Black Caucus from meeting with the new administration, apparently much to both sides despair.
The tone of her voice "He really wants to meet with you Mr. President".
Trump even asked if she could arrange that meeting, to which she demurred.
FFS folks, this is about trying to help inner city youth of all colors and persuasions, what is the damn problem with standing up like grown ups and making a difference in their lives?
Come on VAP, even you can get behind that.
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 23:30
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Sorry for the disappointment

President Donald Trump’s choice for national security adviser, retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward, has turned down the offer, sources familiar with Harward’s decision said on Thursday.
Apparently refused as he could not pick his teams
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 23:41
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GF - the CIA and NSA ain't no sworn enemies of this poster to PPRuNe.
Appreciate the dirty but usually (not always though) necessary work the former do, and have an admiration for the technological capabilities of the latter.
But their current Commander in Chief is a dead-set d1ckh3ad, as we say here in Australia.
Spooks have always leaked, and in this case, good on them.
I'd actually like to see the audio of the Flynn calls somehow mysteriously surface... not likely to happen... but we can only hope...
That's a shame about Harward.
Given the current state of play - it may actually turn out to be fortuitous for him.

He is well-liked and respected and seen as unpretentious despite his distinguished military service, according to people who have worked with him... "He had no ego," the official said, on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak.

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 01:58
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Originally Posted by galaxy flier
Suddenly, the sworn enemies of US civil liberties, the CIA and NSA, are heroes of the very same gang of lefties. Hilarious!
An irony matched by the way the right have suddenly become the chief apologists for the Russian leader. Comedy gold.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:02
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@The Sultan

Apparently refused as he could not pick his teams
... and could not get assurances that he'd be free from interference from the political advisers (read: Bannon et al). As I said, a stand-up guy....

@IcePack - so if the ban did not mention "England", but simply banned people from - Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, York, Canterbury, London, and Oxford - you would be surprised if the press remarked on the fact that, of all the cities in the world, the seven banned were English or British?

@fltlt - yeah, I saw that exchange with a reporter (race and gender irrelevant). Painfully clear Trump simply had no idea who she was talking about (The Congressional Black Caucus) - he thought it was some non-government lobby group she had contacts with.

He's not necessarily stupid - but he has no interest in actually learning anything about the new organization he is a part of (the entire U.S. Gov't).

BTW - with the billion-dollar comms system installed in the White House (paid for with tax dollars) - he seriously has to ask a reporter to set up a meeting for him? Doesn't he have a phone or five? Can't he figure out 1) who to call in the CBC, 2) what the number is, 3) how to push the buttons. For himself?

I also noticed the question and response when he was asked whether anything could be done about an up-tick in anti-semitic attacks (on synagogues and such). And assumed (with no basis) that the question was whether HE - The Donald - was antisemitic.

There is something in Trump's brain that that just can't accept a question or a comment in which he is not the center of attention. It always has to be about him - why would anyone be interested in anything except him?
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:14
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Originally Posted by patter_is_full
There is something in Trump's brain that that just can't accept a question or a comment in which he is not the center of attention. It always has to be about him - why would anyone be interested in anything except him?
Trump loves to be on stage shouting at the media even when this gives them the opportunity to point out his self contradictions. As long as he's in the spotlight he doesn't even mind coming across as a d*ck.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:21
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That's too bad about Admiral Harward. He has a good grasp of the Middle East situation and is also known and respected by many of the region's leaders. Good on him for standing up to the injection of the piece of racist, alt-right work that is Bannon into our nation's top group on security concerns.

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BS, vapilot, in the uproar over the Slick Willie conversation, Lynch was forced to recuse herself from deciding on prosecution. Had that not happened, it would have been her rightful duty to give the briefing Comey gave explaining the outcome of the (non) investigation. Stop making excuses for Hilary's disgraceful campaign.

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Wrong, my friend. Her deputy could have handled it and Lynch was already on record as saying she will defer to whatever comes out the FBI investigation. Wrong also on your characterization of the FBI director's actions. If you know your history of our nation's top law enforcement agency, you would know that they never speak about specifics regarding an ongoing investigation - and have never injected themselves into election politics, until 2016. There's no getting around the fact that Director Comey (known as an otherwise good man with integrity) helped Trump win the election.

Suddenly, the sworn enemies of US civil liberties, the CIA and NSA, are heroes of the very same gang of lefties.
Wrong again, GF. The sworn enemies of US civil liberties are the authors of the decidedly unpatriotic US Patriot Act, created at the behest of the Bush administration, and allowed to be extended by the Obama White House, causing the normally open (to holders of proper clearances) FISA court to become a vestigial organ.

Our intelligence community consists mainly of a proud group of patriots - many putting their lives on the line for America, and you have never heard anything less from this poster.

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:34
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Not my favorite news source, and not my favorite news anchor, yet Shep Smith seems to be firing on all cylinders with some hard truths here:

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:35
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Her deputy could have handled i
Why didn't she? Because she had so politicized the investigation that she had to hand it off to Comey. I completely agree that the FBI doesn't speak out as Comey did, but he wasn't given an alternative due to Lynch's screw-up.

Patriot Act has nothing to do with the "Deep State", that is, the CIA and NSA spying on a private citizen without FISA warrant.

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:43
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None so blind as those who will not see!

At least Trump holds Press Conferences....frequently unlike Obama who went nearly six months between his very structured and controlled Press Conferences.

Trump stood up there quite a long time and fielded dozens of questions and went around the room without using a list as did Obama.

You may not like his style or tone...but the Man showed up and went Toe to Toe with the Media....I find that refreshing even if I do find his wording other than I would like to hear.

I watched the Press Conference today and was just as confused as Trump when the Reporter used the acronym of CBC in her question to the President. I am well familiar with the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) but in the context of the question the Reporter should have used the full name of that illustrious Collection of Individuals.

I find it a bit odd that inside our Congress....a place where Racism is a charge that is levied on an almost daily basis by so many it would itself tolerate an organization that bars membership purely upon RACE. How inclusive is that?

Non-Black membership[edit]

All past and present members of the caucus have been black. In 2006, while running for Congress in a Tennessee district which is 60% black, white candidate Steve Cohen pledged to apply for membership in order to represent his constituents. However, after his election, his application was refused.[13] Although the bylaws of the caucus do not make race a prerequisite for membership, former and current members of the caucus agreed that the group should remain "exclusively black". In response to the decision, Rep. Cohen referred to his campaign promise as "a social faux pas" because "It's their caucus and they do things their way. You don't force your way in. You need to be invited."[13]

Rep. William Lacy Clay, Jr., Democrat of Missouri, the son of Rep. William Lacy Clay Sr., a co-founder of the caucus, said: "Mr. Cohen asked for admission, and he got his answer. He's white and the caucus is black. It's time to move on. We have racial policies to pursue and we are pursuing them, as Mr. Cohen has learned. It's an unwritten rule. It's understood." Clay also issued the following statement:

Quite simply, Rep. Cohen will have to accept what the rest of the country will have to accept—there has been an unofficial Congressional White Caucus for over 200 years, and now it's our turn to say who can join 'the club.' He does not, and cannot, meet the membership criteria, unless he can change his skin color. Primarily, we are concerned with the needs and concerns of the black population, and we will not allow white America to infringe on those objectives.

Later the same week Representative Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado, objected to the continued existence of the CBC as well as the Democratic Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the Republican Congressional Hispanic Conference arguing that, "It is utterly hypocritical for Congress to extol the virtues of a color-blind society while officially sanctioning caucuses that are based solely on race. If we are serious about achieving the goal of a colorblind society, Congress should lead by example and end these divisive, race-based caucuses."[14]

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:46
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GF: AG Lynch said she would defer to the results of the FBI investigation with regards to the Clinton email server case. It doesn't get any more clear than that. Can I offer you a cleansing cloth for your spectacles?

"Deep state"? Are you a conspiracist, GF? I had no idea. Patriot Act, CISA, they're all the same - government and corporate intrusion into our lives in the name of national security.

Do these intrusions work? I cannot say for sure, but they do enable the government to do things in the digital age beyond the scope of laws written in the age of paper and Xerox machines. I can also tell you this: I would have given up every shred of my privacy if it would have made a difference on 11 September, 2001.

SASless, if you would like to join a civic organization of African Americans, I can help you out. Pass me your name and address, and I'll be sure to get you on their list.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 02:54
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
@The Sultan

... and could not get assurances that he'd be free from interference from the political advisers (read: Bannon et al). As I said, a stand-up guy....

@IcePack - so if the ban did not mention "England", but simply banned people from - Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, York, Canterbury, London, and Oxford - you would be surprised if the press remarked on the fact that, of all the cities in the world, the seven banned were English or British?

@fltlt - yeah, I saw that exchange with a reporter (race and gender irrelevant). Painfully clear Trump simply had no idea who she was talking about (The Congressional Black Caucus) - he thought it was some non-government lobby group she had contacts with.

He's not necessarily stupid - but he has no interest in actually learning anything about the new organization he is a part of (the entire U.S. Gov't).

BTW - with the billion-dollar comms system installed in the White House (paid for with tax dollars) - he seriously has to ask a reporter to set up a meeting for him? Doesn't he have a phone or five? Can't he figure out 1) who to call in the CBC, 2) what the number is, 3) how to push the buttons. For himself?

I also noticed the question and response when he was asked whether anything could be done about an up-tick in anti-semitic attacks (on synagogues and such). And assumed (with no basis) that the question was whether HE - The Donald - was antisemitic.

There is something in Trump's brain that that just can't accept a question or a comment in which he is not the center of attention. It always has to be about him - why would anyone be interested in anything except him?
I beg to differ, from what I understood the conversation between them was that he/they had reached out to the person involved, arranged a meeting but it never happened and had followed up multiple times with no response, and that he, Trump, believed it was Schumer playing politics to stop the contact/meeting.
To me, the tone of the lady's response, "He wants to meet with you" indicated a sincere desire to try and make something happen.

And again, politics gets in the way of results, we just finally ignore the Chicago death count, NIMBY. How do you all think the kids feel growing up with no hope, the parents, trapped with no way out?
Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et al have made a fine living off them, where is your outrage at that?

I really wish the "extremes" of both parties would stop and look how this incessant verbal brawling looks to normal folks going about their lives all across this great country.

A lot of them have had and raised kids, and I don't believe they wish to see the continuous 2 year old tantrums from their elected representatives.

I have no dog in this fight, both parties care not one wit about the little people in this country, only the ones that can fund campaigns and re elections.

Now there is a new President, duly elected under the law, obviously not a politician, but a businessman.

Yes he is different, yes he has upset the political applecart and maybe that's what was needed, agree with it or not.

But all this anger and angst against him after only a month in office, has the world come to an end, nuclear war declared, famine and pestilence hit the land, no.

Just a lot of folks running around with their panties in a bunch because their side lost.

Russia, China can't beat us, but we sure can beat ourselves, I'm watching it happen, right before my eyes.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 03:06
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I beg to differ, from what I understood the conversation between them was that he/they had reached out to the person involved, arranged a meeting but it never happened and had followed up multiple times with no response, and that he, Trump, believed it was Schumer playing politics to stop the contact/meeting.
“I have no idea why President Trump would make up a story about me like he did today,” he said in a statement.

“Of course, [Senate Minority Leader Charles] Schumer never told me to skip a meeting with the president,”

-The Honorable US Representative Elijah Cummings commenting on Trump's (aka Liar in Chief) 16 Feb, 2017 patently false press conference statement regarding a proposed meeting between the two.
Your side is terrified of Schumer's real objective - get Trump and his team of bozos, many fully bereft of ethics, in front of an independent Congressional committee, their lies and transgressions on display for all to witness.

But all this anger and angst against him after only a month in office, has the world come to an end, nuclear war declared, famine and pestilence hit the land, no.

Just a lot of folks running around with their panties in a bunch because their side lost.
Man oh Manischewitz, did you ever get that read wrong! It's more like Democrats are smelling blood and with the help of a few upstanding, ethical GOP members of Congress, there will be a reckoning soon where the truth will come out in the pure light of day.

Consider it payback for all of the horse shite Clinton and Obama put up with over the past decade or so from certain partisan, foaming at the mouth members of the GOP - one fruitless and useless investigation after another.

The difference this time around? Fruit, low hanging, ripe, and plenty of it, including some of that "strange fruit" more than a few of Trump's top people have swingin' from trees in their own racist backyards.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 03:10
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Lynch did defer, Comey briefed his findings of the investigation, done. Can't be clearer than that.

Not a conspiracist, but I don't believe in coincidence, either.

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 03:18
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Lynch did defer, Comey briefed his findings of the investigation, done. Can't be clearer than that.

Not a conspiracist, but I don't believe in coincidence, either.

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I guess we'll call the Lynch/Comey affair a stalemate between you and I or perhaps were are nearly in agreement and it is just a matter of semantics and language. The fact remains, Comey should never have sent that letter to GOP members of Congress, mere days before the election.

That action likely cost Clinton the White House and has left us in the (small, orange) hands of one of the most inept, dishonest individuals to ever hold the office, surrounded by a group of ne'er do wells, the likes of which we haven't witnessed since Cheney, Rummy the Dummy, born again Asscroft and company opened the sesame to the Mess O' Potamia. Trump's gang of despotic individuals almost make Dubya's cabal look like a group of choir boys.

Coincidence regarding what exactly, GF? I promise an open mind.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 03:33
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“I have no idea why President Trump would make up a story about me like he did today,” he said in a statement.

“Of course, [Senate Minority Leader Charles] Schumer never told me to skip a meeting with the president,”

-The Honorable US Representative Elijah Cummings commenting on Trump's (aka Liar in Chief) 16 Feb, 2017 patently false press conference statement regarding a proposed meeting between the two.
Then why did she say that he wanted the meeting?
Could it be that unlike most previous press conferences the questions weren't submitted beforehand along with the approved responses (canned answers) and the names of the reporters to ask for those questions, just to be on the safe side?
Could it be when she asked about the bill signing and implementation thereof, a couple of sphincter muscles tightened a little, then when she asked if he was going to be at the signing and the President said they had reached out to him, etc., etc., a whole lot of sphincter muscles clamped shut and the phone lines lit up with the "oh crap, how do we damage control this one?".
Simples, just deny, deny, deny.

And that folks is how real politics works.

Been there, seen it. Hate it with a passion.

So again, my question to all you haters out there, on both sides, why have you not taken Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition to task over there failure to help inner city kids of all shades over the last 30 years or so?
Why have you not called out Rob Emmanuel for his failure to at least stem the bloodshed in Chicago?

Is it just too easy to sit in front of a monitor using a keyboard to vent your anger and dispare when things don't go your way, right before heading out for a latte?

A lot of people in this great country will never know, they hear gunshots in their neighborhoods every day, every night, and nobody does a damn thing about it.

We all, every damn one of us, owe them better.
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Read "Devil's Chessboard" by Salon's David Talbot. It's the story of Allrn Dulles, the godfather of the Deep State. The MIC is nothing compared to the secret agencies and the bureaucracy. They control the government. Anyone who thinks politicians and the Constitution rule are crazy--that must stop and the only reason for Trump is to bring them down to size. Yes, starving the beast hasn't worked, YET. Every bit of the Executive a Branch needs to be chopped.

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 03:39
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Non so blind as those who will not see !

Quite.....please allow me to help with your unfortunate visual impairment in this respect.

Trump to BBC correspondent Jon Sopel: Here's another beauty - BBC News

Leaving aside the trivial detail as to why the media are not, strangely, falling meekly into line and reporting in glowing terms the astounding success of the "finely tuned machine ".....it was interesting to watch the, almost, but not quite, incoherent responses from the Saviour of America himself.

Also interesting to learn a certain decision, or EO if you prefer, was perfect, naturally, but the legal world were bad !.....

However, about this much lauded press conference.

Possibly SASless was watching another conference in contrast say, to the one being reported here as there seems to be some discrepancy between his enthralled commentary and the more, well lets just say, reality based reporting.

Two pieces in succession below....

https://www.channel4.com/news/progra...017/02/16/1900
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KnC: The TrumPus can do no wrong and reigns supreme.

Fitlit: Regarding helping those stuck living in poverty and the results of decades of racism, no doubt, Fitlit. The earlier bits on politics, not so much.

On the subject of children, kindly refer yourself here:


Did you know shutting down the ACA will leave millions of children without health insurance - opening their families to situation where they are always one emergency room visit away from bankruptcy and losing their homes?

Did you know school teachers and parents all across America are having to let youth know that it is Not okay to lie because of your Trump?

Did you know Trump's hate speech has caused a great deal of personal, emotional suffering for many children of minority descent?

Were you aware that Trump's cabinet picks threaten the very air we breathe and the water that sustains us - all legacies that should be left to our children and grandchildren not as cesspools of industrial waste, fracking byproducts, and King Coal mine runoff, but as clean, clear, potable water?
Aside from those areas of concern, what do you think we can do to help?

Our household gives both time and money to community organizations devoted to helping those that cannot help themselves. We also honor every person regardless of race or religion - hell, we've even befriended more than a few hapless Trump voters in hopes of shepherding them gently through their maelstrom of confusion and shame.
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