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Old 14th Feb 2017, 04:43
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Flying out of office Flynn

The first scalp has been taken. Flynn cashiered out.

Before one breaks into tears, I would imagine that he is now going to be a very rich man. Certainly Fox will bring him onboard as a commentator and he might pick up on the lecture circuit warning of the great perils at hand.

Being first out the gate to blab is going to be a handsome payday.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 05:05
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Oh dear....one Trump voter less it seems for the next election.

Ku Klux Klan killing: Frank Ancona's wife and stepson charged - BBC News

On the other hand, as per "The gambler" lyrics...

" and the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep", which, allegedly, he did.

It's always nice to have a happy ending really.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 08:20
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Gallup poll: President Trump?s approval rating at new low | FOX6Now.com

President Trump’s low approval rating is atypical for a new president. Former presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton all enjoyed approval ratings in the high 50s in Gallup tracking polls during the early months of their administrations.
One imagines that this is just a blip and he will ride this storm, as he will the hastily and poorly thought EO storm, and the recent Flynn storm.

Quite an auspicious start to his Presidency.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 09:00
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I really really don't get the Flynn thing.


He's been sacked for lying, right?


But the entire administration lies all the time, and does so in public, completely shamelessly. So what was special about Flynn that he needed sacking? Is there some sort of "acceptable lying" and some other sort of "lying that gets you sacked"?
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 09:07
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..and meanwhile, some comedians are whining that they are already tired by the volume of idiocy from the Orange one - too much hard work to parody if it continues over the next four years?
Man up snowflakes - people have actually died in the past standing up to tyrants.
Sheesh...
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 09:16
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He was sacked for stupidity. Lying to the vetting investigators for a senior government post is a silly thing to do. Lying about something which you know was witnessed by people who you also know will be interviewed by said investigators is just mind-bogglingly stupid.

But surely even our most blinkered Trumpoholics can't be thinking that being a close buddy of Vladimir Putin is the exemplar qualification for a National Security Advisor?

Sheesh...!

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 10:05
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Ah, so it's OK to lie to the public (via press conferences or Twitter or whatever) but not OK to lie to "vetting investigators".


Still, one can't really blame him for not having sussed this out, as they seem to be making the rules up as they go along.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 12:07
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Flynn is an Army General...who worked in Intelligence most of his career. Lying....comes easy to those who are in such positions.

Remember James Clapper , who was DNI , lying under Oath to Congress?

Remember the CIA Assistant Director Morrell lies about Benghazi?

More importantly we have to understand how very classified information has been leaked by Sally Yates, Clapper, and others that led to Flynn's leaving.

There were ways to get Flynn's Scalp out of the Public's Eye without compromising sensitive classified data and methods.

If Flynn lied to the VP then he had to go....as anyone who lies in positions at that level should....immediately upon being found out.

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 12:14
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Maybe one should check out his career, IMHO the Peter Principle as a reward for job done, then "Flynn Facts" briefings upset the natives.
Then another PP step, unfortunately two too far.
Out of his depth, but sold well.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 14:22
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SAS

By your definition the whole administration starting with Trumpet has to go because they have repeatedly lied to the Boss - the American people.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 14:47
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Originally Posted by The Sultan View Post
SAS

By your definition the whole administration starting with Trumpet has to go because they have repeatedly lied to the Boss - the American people.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I will withhold judgement on that statement, lots of movement in directions promised.
If we were brutally honest with ourselves, all sides of the fence, we all know and accept that politicians, all of them, lie quite happily to get elected.
We The People just lap it all up, vote for them and show no angst whatsoever when what was promised never happens, then vote for the same folks time after time, why is that?
Insanity is ..........
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 14:47
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The circular logic in suggesting that Flynn lying so clearly it's Sally Yates who has done something wrong is just incredible.

Is reality is such a superfluous concept to you?

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 14:59
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If we were brutally honest with ourselves, all sides of the fence, we all know and accept that politicians, all of them, lie quite happily to get elected.
False. I don't, and, although it only takes one counterexample to disprove an "all of them" claim, I know others who don't too.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 15:00
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Is reality is such a superfluous concept to you?
It is to some people - they call it "post-facts politics".
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 15:04
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
False. I don't, and, although it only takes one counterexample to disprove an "all of them" claim, I know others who don't too.
Ok then, that's why every promise they make happens and their approval ratings are exemplary, everybody has a job, nobody goes hungry, unicorns and......
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
It is to some people - they call it "post-facts politics".
Ah - that explains it. Is that also why it clearly wasn't raining during the inauguration, so the 300million crowd didn't get wet?

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 16:50
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Odd thing....Sultan never raised so much as an Eyebrow by his favorite Presidents lying repeatedly to the American People....Obama and keeping one's Doctor....Bubba Clinton and that sex thing with that Intern...Ms Lewinsky!

Hell....both were on National Television repeatedly....but not a peep out of the Sultan....no sir ree bob!
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 17:14
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https://www.ft.com/content/0bee5abc-...8-6876151821a6

Donald Trump’s national security adviser Michael Flynn resigns
Exit follows allegations of illegally discussing US sanctions with Russian ambassador

More tomfoolery from Trump & Co. As usual with the FT the BTL comments are as enlightening as the articles.

Its emerging that Sally Yates personally went to the WH to warn Trump of Flynn's conversations and how he had opened himself upto to blackmail in January. So, what happens next?

- Sally Yates gets fired

- Trump takes no action on Flynn
Russian President Vladimir Putin is “starting to get concerned” that the puppets he installed in the executive branch of the U.S. government “might not be up to the task at hand,” sources confirmed on Tuesday.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 18:34
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Odd thing....Sultan never raised so much as an Eyebrow by his favorite Presidents lying repeatedly to the American People....Obama and keeping one's Doctor....Bubba Clinton and that sex thing with that Intern...Ms Lewinsky!
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None of them were Sikorsky customers!
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 19:32
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Even more interesting ....
To the Editor:

Fevered media speculation about Donald Trump’s psychological motivations and psychiatric diagnosis has recently encouraged mental health professionals to disregard the usual ethical constraints against diagnosing public figures at a distance. They have sponsored several petitions and a Feb. 14 letter to The New York Times suggesting that Mr. Trump is incapable, on psychiatric grounds, of serving as president.

Most amateur diagnosticians have mislabeled President Trump with the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder. I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and Mr. Trump doesn’t meet them. He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn’t make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.

Mr. Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy. It is a stigmatizing insult to the mentally ill (who are mostly well behaved and well meaning) to be lumped with Mr. Trump (who is neither).

Bad behavior is rarely a sign of mental illness, and the mentally ill behave badly only rarely. Psychiatric name-calling is a misguided way of countering Mr. Trump’s attack on democracy. He can, and should, be appropriately denounced for his ignorance, incompetence, impulsivity and pursuit of dictatorial powers.

His psychological motivations are too obvious to be interesting, and analyzing them will not halt his headlong power grab. The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological.

ALLEN FRANCES

Coronado, Calif.

The writer, professor emeritus of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University Medical College, was chairman of the task force that wrote the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV (D.S.M.-IV).
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