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Old 12th Feb 2017, 13:59
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Interestingly its turned out that the Judge that blocked the travel ban lied during the case

WASHINGTON (AP) The federal judge who halted President Donald Trump's travel ban was wrong in stating that no one from the seven countries targeted in Trump's order has been arrested for extremism in the United States since the 2001 terrorist attacks.

He asked a Justice Department lawyer how many arrests of foreign nationals from the countries have occurred since 9/11. When the lawyer said she didn't know, Robart answered his own question: "Let me tell, you, the answer to that is none, as best I can tell. You're here arguing on behalf of someone that says we have to protect the United States from these individuals coming from these countries and there's no support for that."
The most glaring example is that of Abdul Razak Ali Artan, who attacked and wounded 11 people on the campus of Ohio State University in November 2016. Artan was a Somalian who arrived in 2007 as a refugee.

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Old 12th Feb 2017, 14:24
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From an article by David Rivkin, Jr.....a well known Constitutional Lawyer.
In our constitutional system, the extent of political controversies, including the protests, surrounding a given issue is utterly unrelated to the analysis of legality and should have no effect on any court. And whether or not this order is inconsistent with our moral and legal traditions is a classical hortatory declaration, suitable for political debates, and is not a viable legal argument.
The Good Judge injected himself into the conduct of Foreign Policy and National Security....which certainly is the job of the President and not the Judge.

The Appeals Court Decision NEVER mentioned 8 USC 1182 which is the Law that Congress wrote that grants Plenary Power to the President for Immigration Enforcement.

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
That 8 USC 1182 expressly authorizes the President to make such Proclamations, then under US Law such a Proclamation carries the weight of Law.

That the White House issued an Amendment that deals with the Due Process issues the very next day also eluded the Appeals Court in its decision.

Bad performance by an Activist Judge and a politically biased Appeals Court set of Judges....but being Seattle for the District Court Judge and the usually reversed Ninth Circuit Appeals Court....golly...what a surprise.

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Old 12th Feb 2017, 14:38
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The Good Judge injected himself into the conduct of Foreign Policy and National Security....which certainly is the job of the President and not the Judge.
Actually, no, the good judge had before him a veritable treasure trove of legal reasons for and against in name and substance called AMICUS briefs - friends of the court. Had one of them contained the crystal ball prediction that 9 years hence, one of hundreds of millions of American citizens decides to go rogue...Stop the presses, Federal law enforcement and the DOJ failed to see into the future.

Meanwhile, the current GOP White House thinks they've got it all sussed out and then Blam!, they're walking out heads held low, thanks to the bozos' choice of hacks that thought they could pull one over on the judicial branch, when in fact it was they that got the wedgie and the deserved derision for some time to come.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 14:42
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post

Bad performance by an Activist Judge and a politically biased Appeals Court set of Judges....but being Seattle for the District Court Judge and the usually reversed Ninth Circuit Appeals Court....golly...what a surprise.

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Old 12th Feb 2017, 14:47
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...or said another way:

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Old 12th Feb 2017, 15:03
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The FBI just released info explaining how it would be easiest for a terrorist to get in through Canada, so if any wall is built it should be on the Canadian border.
Precisely what I said dozens of posts ago. Common sense and acceptance of a little something called Reality (caps just for you SASless) beats dumb ass sense and shite for brains.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 15:05
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Well VAP, I see you are sliding down to the level of vulgarity normally reserved for the unwashed louts demonstrating in the streets. Run out of civil arguments??
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 15:25
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The FBI just released info explaining how it would be easiest for a terrorist to get in through Canada, so if any wall is built it should be on the Canadian border.
Is Trump on record as saying the Wall's sole purpose is to prevent terrorists from making their way into the US? It's a rhetorical question, no is the answer you're looking for.

Rustlers, cutthroats, murders, bounty hunters, desparados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, indian agents, mexican bandits, muggers, buggers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horsethiefs, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers and Methodists are also heading north illegally and need to be stopped and those here need shipped back.


Apologies to Hedley Lamar.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 15:33
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Rustlers, cutthroats, murders, bounty hunters, desparados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, indian agents, mexican bandits, muggers, buggers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horsethiefs, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers and Methodists are also heading north illegally and need to be stopped and those here need shipped back.


Apologies to Hedley Lamar.
Never mind Heddy - you should be apologising to The Donald for plagiarising his list of cabinet nominations...

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Old 12th Feb 2017, 16:36
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For the record, the President and Vice President are both immune from conflict of interest litigation, though they are of course susceptible to a political remedy, Impeachment.

One notices a fund raising pitch by ACLU, ignoring this fact.

I make that point to emphasize there is a difference between politics and the Law.

The Seattle stay is not supportable on appeal, it lacks the heft needed to establish good foundation for a judge to co-opt the Constitution. (Robart)

However, the Supreme Court has four judges who cannot discern the Constitution from popular political opinion....

Hence Trump's reluctance to pursue SCOTUS for appeal. It would be four to four, and the Stay would sustain.

My guess is he will spend a little more time on his next foray into EOs, and establish a bullet proof rationale, vetted by actual scholars, not his advisors....

And Robart will get his head handed to him. Impeachment, though a political remedy, also works on Federal Jurists.....
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 19:20
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If this whole thing gets Donald to do a bit more homework and due diligence before issuing an EO, then good.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 19:24
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If it means that he doesn't try to make his horse a Senator, then so much the better.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 19:25
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Homework

I think DJTrump doesn't like homework, it challenges his world view. What we all need is a sustained effort, but a detour through the informed people he has chosen.

Frankly, research leads to ideas, and Trump's best got him elected. He is focused on results, and an over zealous hiccup now and again is fine by me.

This is ever so much better than eight years of cool guy reacting to news, instead of generating it with some effort.....
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 19:52
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Newspaper mistakes Alec Baldwin for President Trump - CNNPolitics.com

Ah yes, the foreign media at its best.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 19:55
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I would suggest our Canadian friends do a much better job of securing their borders and internal security than do our neighbors to the south.....thus even a complete Nob should be able to figure out where the weak spot is when it comes to Terrorists finding an easily bought avenue of access.

Last time I checked there are many more Spanish speaking Illegals in this country than there are either French or "A" Speakers!
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 20:26
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Kind of like a leak in the bathtub plug.
The US is slowly draining Mexico, Central and S. America.
But it's all ok. They just want a better life. A lot of people in the US seem to think they are entitled and to hell with the law of the country.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 20:27
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Never mind Heddy
That Hedley, Hedley Lamar.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 20:30
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A lot of people in the US seem to think they are entitled and to hell with the law of the country.
That starts with not even being able to identify the problem, we call them undocumented workers instead of illegal aliens. Seems a little easier to swallow that way.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 20:42
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I would suggest our Canadian friends do a much better job of securing their borders and internal security than do our neighbors to the south....
Exactly. We had a company rep stationed in YVR on a long-term field support contract; but his Canadian visa was up for renewal, so he got the paperwork started in timely fashion.

BUT - the Canadian Postal workers went on strike! He said "I've done my part" - and on the day his visa expired, a couple Mounties knocked on his office door, and escorted him to the US border!

ICE - take a lesson, eh?
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 20:45
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Ah yes, the foreign media at its best.
Strange, I am led to believe that it is the US media that brings fake news and lies?
Is this not correct?
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