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Old 9th Feb 2017, 18:12
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ORAC,

That graph could be posted to several threads on here to answer a few critics.

It seems because some people demonstrate against Trump, it is then taken that the country as a whole is against his policies.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 18:16
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“Afghanistan had no ability to influence the petrodollar nor undermine the western banking system”

Not directly, but Afghanistan is a key player in the “big game” as a transport route for Caspian oil and gas and its geopolitical importance should not be underestimated.

The petrodollar requires western control of extraction, transportation and pricing of oil and gas and any global player that threatens these mechanisms will be dealt with swiftly.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Venezuela. A fairly solid case could be made that western intervention in Eastern Europe in the 90’s centered more on the Trans Balkan Pipeline than human rights concerns.

Iran is next; take a read of H.R 10.

These geopolitical maneuverings are way bigger than the person who resides in the White House, or Number 10 but the people who reside there love watching us argue about elections and vote counts and graphs plotting public opinion as though any of it is relevant to the grand scheme.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 18:37
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Odd....the majority of people in ALL the Nations polled agree with Trump's view pretty much on Immigration.....yet one would think by reading this and other threads that it is the other way around.

Now why would that be I wonder?
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 19:29
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Some of a previous generation underestimated a little Austrian shit.

Let's not underestimate the danger(s) posed by this fascist bastard.
And we'll have to keep on, and on, and on, and on, and on, saying this.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 19:31
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Yugoslavia posed zero threat to the US and UK, but the Slavs still got attacked anyway.
It's not as simple as that. The Muslims I was helping in Kosovo were Slavs - they're not all Albanians.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:24
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So KSM is going on about Crusaders. While the Musselmen may have beaten the Franks, they haven't played Cowboys and Indians yet.

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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:27
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/u...=top-news&_r=0

WASHINGTON — A three-judge federal appeals panel on Thursday unanimously refused to reinstate President Trump’s targeted travel ban, delivering the latest and most stinging judicial rebuke to his effort to make good on a campaign promise and tighten the standards for entry into the United States.

Next move Mr President.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:27
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Oicur12,

How do feel about the Trilateral Commission? Did the CIA, the Mob, Big Oil, LBJ or the Cubans kill JFK? Did we really land on the moon or was it hoax? You're into dark conspiracies why stop at oil?

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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:30
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The 9th is the most overruled circuit in the nation, they're betting on a 4-4 split in the Supreme Court.

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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:45
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Ah, but it'll be 5-4 if Trump's new nominee gets appointed first - he's reported as not being very keen on Trump's view of the judiciary.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 22:58
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Three of Twenty Nine Appeals Court Judges heard the Case.....if a full bench hears it then it will be either Nine or Ten Judges that hear it as that Court splits its members into three panels of 9/10/10.

As said frequently before....the "Naughty Ninth" is the most reversed Court of Appeals in the Country and in this case it appears they once again confused the issues.

Lawyers will tell you....first you argue the Law....then you argue the facts if you cannot win by citing the Law.

The Constitution and Congress very clearly set forth the authority for the Office of President to decide the Immigration Rules and Procedures.....the District Court Judge and now the three Appeals Court Judges all failed to accept that and by doing so....have prevented the President from exercising his Constitutional and Lawful Duties.

That is a gross error as now.....the question is just who is supposed to make those decisions....every lame assed Judge who gets a case before his Court or the Congress or the President.....it has to be one of them and I fail to see where a Judge gets that authority based upon anything in the Constitution.

A very good article about a similar case during Obama's efforts to undermine the Immigration Law and how Chief Justice Robert's views would play a role in his Decision.

It talks about "Standing" and the primacy of "Law".....over anything else.

This is not about Trump....this is about the Lawful and Constitutional Powers of the Presidency both now and for all future Presidents.


http://theusconstitution.org/text-hi...#8217;s-future
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 01:28
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The Constitution and Congress very clearly set forth the authority for the Office of President to decide the Immigration Rules and Procedures.....
.....subject to the protections and rights guaranteed in the same Constitution. Thus, as with ANY and ALL government actions (and especially executive fiats), it is subject to judicial review.

There is no doubt that a President can order restrictions on immigration in an order that doesn't violate due process, equal protection, habeas corpus and other considerations. (And whether you like it or not, those apply in varying degrees to non-citizens and immigrants - that's settled law).

The - thing - The Donald signed was not such an order.

Rewritten by experienced attorneys who know their arse from their elbow - as opposed to Trumpie's swamp-monkeys (who are, in the words of a former boss of mine, "lost balls in tall weeds") - such an order will likely pass Constitutional muster.

It will need to set forth a clear due process, that is not subject to interpretation and variable application by random immigration officers, and is clear, in the actual wording (and not verbal "amendments" post-facto), regarding the details about existing visas, green cards, etc.

It will probably need to eliminate any mention of religion - the reference to priority for "minority religions" from clearly predominantly-Muslim countries - which runs smack into the very first words of the First Amendment.

And, of course, we are, at this point, only talking about a restraining order, to delay implementation of the EO until judicial review of those issues is completed. If the administration can prove that the existing order is constitutional, it will eventually go into effect. If they can't - it should never go into effect.

Checks and balances....
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 01:38
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Pattern,

We have had prior cases of "Religion" being an acceptable criterion.

Is there anyone with a grain of commonsense that does not understand that Christians and other Non-Muslims are very much subject to particularly evil treatment within those seven countries?

The track record of the Obama Administration showed it discriminated against Christian Refugees if one looks at the statistics. What is different about that except it was not stated in the EO or Policies put in place by Obama?

Persons seeking entrance into the United States can be granted Asylum from Religious Persecution....and be admitted as a Refugee. Same as in the UK and elsewhere.

That brings Religion into the evaluation process to the extent the individual can demonstrate they have been or are subject to, or fear persecution based upon their Religious Beliefs.

Constitutional protection is far less available to Non-US Citizens, Non-US Residents, Illegal Aliens than you suggest as well. If they are outside the United States Borders....they have little if any safeguards under Law.

You remember a place called Gitmo.....why do you think that place exists yet today despite Obama's best efforts to close it?

The First Amendment does not apply to Non-US Persons outside the USA.....no matter how you wish to think otherwise.

Even with an evenly split Supreme Court.....the Government shall prevail when the Case gets there....if it gets there at all.

Alan Dershowitz on MSNBC discussing the Appeals Court Finding.


http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...titutionality/

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Old 10th Feb 2017, 02:10
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Meanwhile Canada has heaps of "refugees" creeping, illegally, over the US-Can border at various places in fairly substantial numbers to show up in small towns along the border.
I am not sure why if they already were in the US, they didn't claim refugee status when there.


In other news, a Syrian refugee, 38, married with six kids, has been arrested and charged with molesting six teenage girls (around 14) at the West Edmonton Mall swimming pool thing.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 02:15
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
.....subject to the protections and rights guaranteed in the same Constitution. Thus, as with ANY and ALL government actions (and especially executive fiats), it is subject to judicial review.
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I'm glad you put that in caps. Taken at face value, your statement would apply to the commander in chief performing his duties in that respect, and ordering the armed forces in his capacity.


There's a lot of talk recently about checks and balances on the executive. So - lets say it all does go pear shaped as so many on the left are whining about. We have to actually deploy somewhere, and lives are being lost. The president swings into action, places the defcon from DOUBLE TAKE to FAST PACE within hours. We are literally 3 hours from conflict. But wait! - it seems the minority party doesn't want to go along. So - a state AG(lets say CA) goes in front of a fed 9th circuit judge and gets a TRO stopping the deployment orders, and stays the exec from defending the country.


After all, I've been reliably informed that ANY and ALL govt actions are subject to judicial review... Hmmm, wonder why it didn't work that way in the prev administration. hmmmmm
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 02:21
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You're into dark conspiracies why stop at oil

Fighting wars over resources and money is a conspiracy theory?

Still waiting for those WMDs to surface.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 03:00
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So, what do you think is going to happen when one of these 'refugees' the judges let in commits a terrorist attack?

The American left are busy ensuring they'll never be allowed to have any power again.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 03:07
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See you in court, the security of our nation is at stake

Trump seems to be getting a legal education the hard way

The San Francisco Appeal Court is the latest to remind him of the Constitution

So off to the Supreme Court.

A beer, claimable in Lethbridge, Alberta, says that SCOTUS will decline to review the affirmation of the temporary restraining order.

Shed a tear for his lawyers, who are saddled with a client who can't stop his rants
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 03:07
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And, presumably, you will all be happy with the ever so slight increase n expenditure...albeit this will be a Gov't project thus, irrespective of the location, the cost will always increase significantly from the original projected, to gain the publics attention, costs

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...es-show-report

As the report states, there are a few minor issues of topography to contend with....presumably and unfortunately missed when Trump first offered us this glorious example of diplomacy in action.

A report on last nights C4 News also mentioned another wall....one in Ireland it seems, around a golf course....now there's a surprise.... which didn't come to fruition either.

Any of you valiant patriots on here thinking of "reporting for dooty..Sir !" guarding this wall when it's built, or doing a bit of DIY in your spare times during the construction phase ?
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 03:31
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A man who supports The Second Amendment is now attacking the judiciary. Is this the type of tyrannical government the second amendment was created for? (Tongue in cheek)
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