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Old 20th Jan 2017, 19:54
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Any likelihood of this producing anything that is viable and could be proven:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5028e4806b66
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:00
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I don't listen to ignaugural speeches ... they're meaningless and entertainment for two badly split sides.

What to look for in all this is surprises and not what the individual sides (including the Brits say)

Now those tweets are another thing and a measure of his idiocy.

In the long run it's the actions that he takes that are the real measure

tick tick tick ... who is keeping the impeachment clock?
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:00
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Any likelihood of this producing anything that is viable and could be proven:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5028e4806b66
Likely not, Exrigger. Despite checks and balances and the notion that we are a democracy, the inner workings of Congress are far from democratic.

Congressional committees that have the power to indict are currently in the hands of Republicans, and they would be loathe to impeach their standard bearer, although Pence would certainly be more palatable and a more moldable president than the current holder of that office to many of the ultra conservative members of the GOP.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:06
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Cheers vapilot, I think I have said elsewhere that I don't understand the US processes, hence the question as the news item appeared shortly after Trump became president.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:09
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In re the Washington Post link: this guy, Donald Trump, hasn't even begun to serve in his elected office and someone thinks that while in office he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors? Here's what's going on:
"OK, hang him -- wait, give him a "fair trial" first -- then make sure to hang him!" That, children, is called vigilante justice and is something we tried pretty hard to stamp out in this country.

As to his speech: it took 18 minutes. I applaud the brevity. The content? Meh, political noise. Check back on a few previous inaug speeches. Brevity was not their virtue.


@Exrigger: I would suggest that you take anything from vapilot with a grain of salt since he has displayed virulent partisan bias for the past year. There are in fact rules and procedures for how thing get done in Congress, and for him to assert that they are not "democratic" and then juxtapose "because the Republicans" have the majority (hey, that's part of democracy, bud) is both dishonest and a bad attempt at a play on words.


With that criticism aired, deal making is how politics works, but the deals made are usually made in attempts To Get Enough Votes to get a bill or law passed ... and that is a democratic and constitutional process.


At one layer deeper, however, how our Congress goes about its business gets significantly influenced by lobbyists and groups who have enough pull or money to get the ear of elected officials. That factor of our system (which is informal, not formal) is a problem regardless of which party has the majority in either house of Congress. It's a never ending problem that was once at least partly mitigated by the ever-curious press.


The role of a free press has become a part of our system over time due to both precedent and the First Amendment. But it takes more than rules for someone to be bothered to dig into "what's really going on as this vote on Topic X" comes up in the House next week?


It takes motive and interest. So far, the press seem to at least be interested. The role of the fifth estate may morph over time ...
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:14
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Am retired. Money from the Norwegian Pension Fund.
All the best, to the rest.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:17
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Exrigger: Glad to offer my knowledge of our (sometimes) twisted system of government.

Lonewolf - vigilante justice indeed - does "Lock her up" ring any bells of truth with you?
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:19
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"Indeed, it seems like he has had the life sucked out of him. "

obgraham,

Nicely played, Sir !! ;-))
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:22
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Stay on topic, vapilot, and please lay off with the sloppy tu quoque as well as the bait and switch. Your never ending partisan crap is an annoyance, and serious obstacle to you and I having a reasonable dialogue. We could, if you'd try for once to be objective, since I believe you and I both see some flaws in the system.


Now, to be crystal clear: don't you dare try and lay that "lock her up" meme at my door, as it's not my meme.
Your dishonesty is disgusting. Clean up your act.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:22
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Not partisan, LW, I am a warrior of truth. Read back through my posts here and come back with factual data and links from credible sources that would suggest I ever posted anything less than truth. If you cannot, then kindly stop with the empty accusations and let us move on.

@Exrigger: I would suggest that you take anything from vapilot as Truth since he has displayed virulent bias for posting nothing but truth and known facts over the past year. .
Why thank you, LW. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Cheers!

By the way, I believe you meant to say 4th estate, in your post, not 5th. A fifth of scotch is something we may all need pretty soon.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:26
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Well that's it, President Trump, roll on the impeachment


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2c22333357bf
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:27
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Inaug Poorliy Attended

The inauguration was so poorly attended that Trumpet has to use pictures from Obama's to try to cover up.

From Newsweek

The new profile picture is of Trump scowling, and the header photo is scene of Americans waving flags at the inauguration. Unfortunately, it's the wrong inauguration. The photo was taken in 2009, at Barack Obama's swearing in.
So Kim of him.


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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:30
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vapilot,

He's been in office 4+30 and your lot on the left want to impeach him. Really?

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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:32
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Sorry gents, didn't mean for my question to start a verbal contretemps amongst posters, especially in an area where I am unaware of any underlying differences of opinion.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:34
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Not my lot, just a group of concerned citizens, GF.

Although I doubt it will come to pass, I hope he does well. I, unlike many conservatives, including those that trawl these pages, do not want the new president to fail (ala the calls for Obama's failure over the course of his administration) for if the president fails, the country to some degree, fails along with him.

No worries, Exrigger. These days, just about everything in our partisan world of empty bickering and small-minded debate carries an underlying difference of opinion. It is a sad state of affairs and one that will eventually be our undoing - for we are stronger united than we are divided and those desperate to hold power over the electorate know this fully well. Keep people engaged in meaningless debate is the new order of US politics and the media are complicit in that nefarious goal.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:36
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It's alright bringing everything manufacturing wise back to the USA, but one does wonder how Joe Public will react when the Ford they buy suddenly costs thousands more, the clothes they wear, the TVs they watch, the computers they use suddenly all cost considerably more, that or you will need to match the wages of those countries producing them, and that will never happen.

Not me wanting to impeach him, just your fellow Americans.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:37
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Why not? he wanted to impeach Cliton, before the election was even held.

short memory?
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:47
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All very true NutLoose. There is no way the majority of American manufacturers can satisfy the current level of consumerism that exists in the US today by building their wares domestically. Their boards of directors, shareholders, and top-heavy organizations of over paid C-suite executives (focused on greed rather than an innovative and durable product) could not possibly support such a market.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:47
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So basically, you lot are irritated that a new president of the United States claims he will place the values of the United States first.
Personally I wasn't irritated at all with that comment, he was spelling out the obvious, but I do wonder if it might have caused a few gulps and even the odd 'oh fark " with those who think it's going to be easy to strike a beneficial trade deal with you folks in the next couple of years....
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 20:55
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Then there are those wise folks that are thinking when was the last time America thought it should be anything but first. Manifest destiny is alive and well in these United States of Corporate America and the irony abounds.
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