Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

US Politics Hamsterwheel v2.0

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

US Politics Hamsterwheel v2.0

Old 10th Nov 2016, 00:18
  #3641 (permalink)  

 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: BHX
Posts: 209
Well I must have seen different footage from you over the last few months. Threatening your opponent with jail, threatening to not accept an election result if you weren't on the winning side, promising mass repatriations, promising some wall that won't get built, insulting a family who lost their child fighting in a war, threatening to ban Muslims from entering the country, insulting a war veteran who dared to be captured asides his women comments didn't come across as a global political leader to me.

As I said, I had no time for Clinton either. I hope you've got the best of the 2 poor candidates that were on offer....Back to my pipe
LIMA OR ALPHA JUNK is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 00:22
  #3642 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: A warm pub
Posts: 1,165
She effed it up. She demonstrated, just as the remain voters in Brexit did, that talking down to those who disagree with you only alienates them further.
Una Due Tfc is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 00:22
  #3643 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Where the Quaboag River flows, USA
Age: 66
Posts: 3,332
Quote:
Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
I don't understand the US Presidential voting system, but I heard it said that Hillary 'got more votes' than Trump.
This election was decided by 27,257 jackasses in Wisconsin, 11,837 dumb asses in Michigan, and 68,236 bigoted, uneducated white people in Pennsylvania.

107,330 dimwits out of 119,386,076 votes cast or 0.09% of the total votes decided this country's (and the world's) fate. This was no mandate by a long shot and this election shows how divided (and ignorant) we are politically.

Regarding Democracies, Churchill had it right.
With opposition talk such as this, is it any wonder Democrats lost? First rule of service, treat your customers like you would want to be treated. Does any voter or citizen respect politicians who refer to them as dumb asses, deplorables, bigots? Try that, as the owner of a store, and you'd be out of business pronto. Which is where the Dems find themselves.

GF
galaxy flyer is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 00:24
  #3644 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Posts: 255
So what happens in 2 years when there are no new steel mills or automobile factories?
MarcK is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 00:35
  #3645 (permalink)  

 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: BHX
Posts: 209
Ooooh, I forgot, water boarding and a whole lot more are acceptable in our times. G/F, you are totally correct regarding Clintons comments over Trump supporters. Deplorable and insulting. I do think however that Trump got away with far worse in his campaign. I hope it works out for everyone ��
LIMA OR ALPHA JUNK is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 00:37
  #3646 (permalink)  
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Derbyshire, England.
Posts: 4,043
Couple of points there LAJ:


Trump only asked for a much deeper background check on Muslim refugees from areas where terrorists were known to originate, he did NOT threaten to ban all Muslims.


Regarding the Family Khan: Either by invitation or at their request they came to the Democratic Party convention and were allocated speaking time, during which they denigrated Trump about seventeen times. The following day, when questioned, Trump said, words to the effect, "Mrs Khan didn't have much to say, maybe she couldn't (or wasn't) allowed to speak, you tell me?"
The interviewer then moved on to Family Khan's 'sacrifice'. So let us get that straight. Had the young Khan just wanted a military career there were hundreds of branches he could have joined, in all the different services, and spared his parents grief, but he chose the Marines, the spear head of most military actions and one of the highest risk areas to be. Young Khan made the ultimate sacrifice, not his parents, young Khan was a volunteer, not a conscript. The whole debacle was a piece of cheap Democrat Party theatre that went wrong, but not that you would glean that from the way the media chose to report it, they had been briefed and ran with it, trouble is they didn't have the ball.
parabellum is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 00:52
  #3647 (permalink)  

 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: BHX
Posts: 209
Errrm Para, stick Trump threatens to ban Muslims entering US into YouTube. I stand by what Trump said.

As regards the Khan saga, she was interviewed yesterday and I watched it. My impression was that her English was very poor and for that reason let her husband do the talking.

I don't give 2 hoots who won asides I won a few hundred quid on Trump. My only point is I felt Trump fought a quite foul campaign not befitting of such an important global position.

You guys get on with it. I hope Trump keeps his promise to put the UK at the front of trade deals now we are getting out of the corrupt EU.

Regards LOAJ
LIMA OR ALPHA JUNK is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 01:05
  #3648 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Reading
Age: 36
Posts: 100
This would funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Republicans calling democrats bad losers? The same republicans whose candidate wouldn't even say he would accept the result if he lost? The same republicans who were so upset at having a black president they questioned where he was born, because apparently being black means you cant really be a US citizen. The same republicans whose representatives, by their own admission, set out to block Obama doing anything, even if they agreed with it. And then blamed him for government not getting things done.

The man has no policies, so no-one voted for policies. It's interesting to see people call his boast about assualting women 'unfortunate'. In most western democracies that would have rules him out of any chance of seeking office. Someone mentioned mysoginy of Islam and there obviously being a lot of nasty muslims. i'd venture there seem to be a lot of nasty Christians too.

America's problem is its third world pre university education system. It pumps out ignorance on a massive scale. It is a fact the US has probably the worst education system of a developed nation. It is a fact that those less well educated, and not trained in critical thought, are more likely to vote republican. If you have an enquiring mind you might think about why that is. Trump supporters will dismiss it as liberal smeering, but unfortunately they are facts you have to deal with.

Of course republicans will never try to improve the education system because it works in their favour. Think about that. These people deliberately maintain an inadequate education system, to maintain a pool of ignorant people, so they can be elected, so they can keep those people in poverty and maintain their own elite position. That is republicans. Nice huh?

Of course it's all no surprise to those of us who encounter Americans on a regular basis and observe the shocking level of ignorance of just about anything compared to people from any other developed nation. Unfortunately coupled with a bizarre arrogance. They often seem to believe being louder is correlated with being right.

You'll all get very angry, but you can't counter the facts that are the links between education and voting. Or the hypocrisy of your side having been the worst losers in history for the last 8 years.

Trump will fail and at least you'll have no excuses. Unfortunately we'll all have to suffer so I can't enjoy the show.
neila83 is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 01:06
  #3649 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: surfing, watching for sharks
Posts: 3,503
Hey VAPA, get over it, pull up your big girl panties and accept it. My guy didn't win either. I didn't vote for Trump, but enough people did, that makes him my President. Let's move forward. You're beginning to sound like the whacko out in Texas with your succession talk.
West Coast is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 01:23
  #3650 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: "Deplorable but happy as a drunken Monkey!
Age: 71
Posts: 16,314
Of course it's all no surprise to those of us who encounter Americans on a regular basis and observe the shocking level of ignorance of just about anything compared to people from any other developed nation. Unfortunately coupled with a bizarre arrogance. They often seem to believe being louder is correlated with being right.
Colonel Blimp recalled to Active Service was he?
SASless is online now  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 01:26
  #3651 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: A warm pub
Posts: 1,165
Neila83, being so dismissive and denigrating of a whole nation is, in my opinion, disrespectful. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.

If you're talking specifically about education, well I agree third level should be free (as it is where I live), but I say that purely from an economic point if view. If the taxpayer spends 100k getting someone a degree and a master's, then that person will earn far more money and pay far more tax over their career. Win/win.

But standing on a pedestal and slagging off a deomographic or soveirgn nation as a whole is counter productive
Una Due Tfc is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 01:29
  #3652 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: A warm pub
Posts: 1,165
Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
You're beginning to sound like the whacko out in Texas with your succession talk.
Cruz? 😜

It could have been worse though, Cruz might have been president. The last thing the world needs is the Christian equivalent of Khomeini in charge. Let's hope Pence doesn't take the hot seat either.
Una Due Tfc is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 01:34
  #3653 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: "Deplorable but happy as a drunken Monkey!
Age: 71
Posts: 16,314
Start with the US Declaration of Independence for a start.




We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
SASless is online now  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 01:59
  #3654 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Where the Quaboag River flows, USA
Age: 66
Posts: 3,332
Niela83

I suspect your acquaintance with America is mostly in the media--it shows in your reflexive anti-Americanism. Trump voters were, on average, just as educated as Clinton voters, were above the median income, and inhabit most of the country outside the cites. They have a different, but valid political belief structure than you, but instead of learning you prefer to be as bigoted as you attribute to them. Pot, Kettle you know the rest.

GF
galaxy flyer is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 02:00
  #3655 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: New Zealand
Age: 72
Posts: 508
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
You do not believe that which negates everything that follows.
John Hill is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 02:08
  #3656 (permalink)  
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 1,630
So here’s the thing about Donald Trump;

I truly don’t believe that 50% of my friends suddenly became stupid overnight, or had lobotomies, yet sure enough that’s how many of them voted for Trump. So if it’s not stupidity or mental illness what is it? Well, I like and respect most of them, so something surely persuaded them to vote the way they did. Turns out most of them didn’t vote for Trump – they voted against Hilary. After the financial crash of 2008 nobody went to jail, and after the industrial heart was ripped out of the Midwest and went offshore, nobody cared what the labor force did, and after spending 14 years in a war on the other side of the globe we had 6,000 dead soldiers, tens of thousands of wounded and no tangible result of all those wasted lives. Yet the Congress either voted for, or did nothing, to stop any of those things. Trump was not part of that “establishment” but Hilary absolutely was. She is regarded as central to the problem of the 1%ers who care little for those who have little or nothing. So she’s viewed as toxic by many blue collar people of all ethnicities and that’s why 50% of my friends did not vote for her. Of course there were also Republicans who felt they could finally get revenge for Bill not going to jail 30 years ago, and you can't ever fix that level of stupidity, but most simply didn’t like her as a candidate.

So does that make Trump a good choice? Hell no!

Deranged and sociopathic are probably complements to be honest, he is a likely misogynistic bigot who cares little for anyone but himself. But he is absolutely not the establishment. He “tells it like it is” which simply means he has no filter or lacks the ability to be diplomatic or collaborative. He won because he is not Hilary and doesn’t represent a broken system. I will never think of him as anything other than a lunatic, but after many years of being taught to respect the appointment and not the person, I will give him the opportunity to prove he can be the President of the United States until I see evidence to the contrary.

What is disheartening is the very media that railed on Trump for his dystopian future and bleak outlook have done the very same thing today. The UK Guardian is essentially fearmongering amongst any minority it can identify with, and national public radio (the US BBC) are basically holding a wake and pointing out what a terrible person he is. As for the reports by the Daily Mirror of “rioting in the streets” that was utter tosh. But they all miss a couple of salient points – the office of the President is the very epitome of checks and balances. The reason Barack Obama has not been as successful as he should have been is Congress and the Courts have been able to prevent any Executive excess. It will be the same for Trump – laws still have to be passed by Congress and Executive measures can be struck down the moment the next incumbent arrives. As for the appointment of the 9th Supreme Court Judge, people demonstrate a breathtaking level of ignorance. To even be considered as a candidate means you have historically held non-partisan views and impartiality in your legal dealings. Everybody has a natural bias left or right, but Supreme Court Judges do not have the luxury of holding flamboyant or reactionary political views. And the purpose of the Supreme Court is to be the final word in whether the President and Congress are upholding the Constitution – plain and simple.

So in summary, of course it’s disappointing when your horse doesn’t win, but as an American Citizen (not a Democrat or Republican) it’s probably my civic duty to try and see the best in all society, and I’ll start by trying to understand why 50% of my friends and the rest of country think Donald Trump can fix a broken system and try to support them in their efforts.
Two's in is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 02:10
  #3657 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Reading
Age: 36
Posts: 100
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
Niela83

I suspect your acquaintance with America is mostly in the media--it shows in your reflexive anti-Americanism. Trump voters were, on average, just as educated as Clinton voters, were above the median income, and inhabit most of the country outside the cites. They have a different, but valid political belief structure than you, but instead of learning you prefer to be as bigoted as you attribute to them. Pot, Kettle you know the rest.

GF
No it's not, I've lived in several countries and known many americans on a close basis who I've had time to get to know. Of course not all americans are ignorante, but is a fact that the education system is extremely poor, which obviously produces higher levels of ignorance and lower levels of critical thought.

This is someing regularly observed and commented on by other expats, including the more open minded among other americans. The US doesn't actually encourage much crítical thought around political systems and democracy, itconsoders it sufficent to brainwash the people about the evil of socialism, in order to maintain its precious capitalism, and invoke the myth of the American dream to keep people placid while in reality it offers less opportunity to its people than virtually any other developed nation (again a statistical fact).

This is why Americans like to complain about being overtaxed despite in fact being one of the lowest taxed global economies, and in return having shameful levels of povert and inequality, and appalling health and education systems.

We have much the same in my country, where people too are brainwashed about the evils of an alternative system. But one only has to look at scandanavia to see that a form of socialism mixed with capitalism in fact brings the highest quality of life and best opportunities to all of any system in the world.

You need to ask yourself in whose interest is the status quo? Why are rich people so desperate to maintain it, why do the media spread so much propaganda about alternatives?

And now on earth, does electing a 70 year old white male billionaire business man, who has never shown the slightest interest in the plight of middle class Americans, send a message to the establishment? If anyone thinks he will help anyone except his elite friends, they going to be very disappointed.
neila83 is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 02:42
  #3658 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Where the Quaboag River flows, USA
Age: 66
Posts: 3,332
while in reality it offers less opportunity to its people than virtually any other developed nation (again a statistical fact).
It's that lack of opportunity that keeps immigrants coming, why so many Europeans and Canadians come to America. I have a dozen Canadian friends who would not go back after living here. Look at European unemployment levels especially for those under 25.

GF
galaxy flyer is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:02
  #3659 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Reading
Age: 36
Posts: 100
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
It's that lack of opportunity that keeps immigrants coming, why so many Europeans and Canadians come to America. I have a dozen Canadian friends who would not go back after living here. Look at European unemployment levels especially for those under 25.

GF
While it's nice of the US to offer employment to people who got an education in other nations, as my text you quote shows, I was rather referring to the opporunities the US provides it's own people, which should be more of your concern no? Which is far too often little outside mimimum wage misery for life. Look up social mobility stats. The US has elite jobs, it's just nigh on imposible for people born poor there to get them. It is a long way from the meritocracy it líkes to portray itself as. Does that not concern you?
neila83 is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:11
  #3660 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 195
Socialists are so cute, always talking about Scandinavia.
PukinDog is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.