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Old 8th Nov 2016, 18:02
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VP959,

Your treating the symptom, not the root cause. We need to take the reason there so much money in US politics out of the equation. The reason is the "factions" or special interests see profit in influencing both the elected and unelected (i.e. The administrative state) branches of government. There powers must be drastically reduced. On a small state scale, occupational licensing has skyrocketed. It merely a means for industry incumbents to eliminate competition. At the Federal level, vast funding goes to corporate farming, so the Sugar Lobby makes sure they contribute to get more subsidies. Boeing makes big donations to ensure the Ex-Im Bank gets renewed, so ME airlines can get subsidized equipment loans to compete against US carriers.

Take government goodies away and the influencing peddling on K Street would disappear.

GF
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 18:09
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Here's hoping that the next 4 years will indeed lead to America being great again, although I think its pretty good already. A good friend and Ally to us.

Despite our differences in who we vote for and who we would vote for if we were to be American, I hope whoever is not elected President accepts the result for the good of the country.

Irregardless as to whoever we think should have been the candidate, one of these two are. Lets hope they do a fantastic job for their country.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 18:13
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Democracy needs to clean house at least one every generation.
It can only continue by doing this.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 19:25
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
Our American system, while a valiant attempt to improve on the Parliamentarian System, has proved itself a failure.

I recommend that America look at a range of parliamentarian systems, and totally change our constitution to a system combining the best attributes of the better systems.
When a car drives off the side of the road, often it is not the car's fault, but the driver's. It might serve us well to examine the "drivers" of the system, namely the relatively lazy and comfortable electorate who would allow this to happen. The system works well if operated properly. We, myself included, have allowed it to go on autopilot, which essentially leaves the system to any shyster who steps up to get his hands dirty. An educated, responsible citizenry is all that this country needs to get back on track. There are some relevant quotes from Noah Webster to that effect. Moral of the story? We're getting more or less what we deserve. It's time for citizens to roll up their sleeves, step up and do their democratic duties. If they do, our congress, senate and presidential candidates will reflect it.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 19:54
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
VP959,

Your treating the symptom, not the root cause. We need to take the reason there so much money in US politics out of the equation. The reason is the "factions" or special interests see profit in influencing both the elected and unelected (i.e. The administrative state) branches of government. There powers must be drastically reduced. On a small state scale, occupational licensing has skyrocketed. It merely a means for industry incumbents to eliminate competition. At the Federal level, vast funding goes to corporate farming, so the Sugar Lobby makes sure they contribute to get more subsidies. Boeing makes big donations to ensure the Ex-Im Bank gets renewed, so ME airlines can get subsidized equipment loans to compete against US carriers.

Take government goodies away and the influencing peddling on K Street would disappear.

GF
I'm sure you're right. Here we've always had fairly tough rules on what any candidate can spend, but recently those rules have been seemingly broken with impunity by some using media influence that they have control over to gain benefits without having to pay out cash.

I think one of the major issues is the way the world has changed, with the advent of social media and near-instant responses to any comment or trend. This makes it far, far easier for the powerful and influential to manipulate opinion. Sadly, the "sheeple" will take heed of the rubbish peddled by the entertainment media, and not bother to check the veracity of any comment, and the manipulators of the system use this to their advantage. I suspect it's the main reason that Trump's minders have stopped him using [email protected] for the final stages, for fear that he might "go off on one" in the early hours, and harm the damage limitation they've been running around doing every day (this is NOT intended as a partisan comment, just an observation).

My personal view is that getting money and influence out of politics, both sides of the pond, would do us all a great deal of good.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 20:03
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But you all seem to forget that "We have the finest bunch of politicians that money can buy".
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 20:51
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 21:03
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Donald Trump sues the registrar of voters in Clark County, Nevada, claiming a Las Vegas polling station was improperly allowed to remain open on Friday to accommodate people lined up to vote.

The lawsuit alleges election officials "intentionally co-ordinated with Democratic activists" to skew the vote.

:: When asked if he would accept the nationwide election result, Republican Mr Trump said: "We're going to see how things play out" as his campaign manager says he is "winning".
So let me get that right, we are suing you claiming a rigged system BUT if the vote goes my way I will accept it, if not I won't, how democratic of him.

http://news.sky.com/story/live-final...ction-10648907
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 21:52
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The saddest moment for me in this whole sordid campaign occured this morning in Trumps press conference. He told the gathered audience that he must win as a loss will mean he has wasted an incredible amount of his time and money.

An interesting insight in to how the possible future president views the privelage of participating in the democratic process.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 21:59
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So if he gets in, that's at least another 4 years of losing the same.

One of his key items at the start was he was spending his own money on the campaign, but when looked at, he had actually made loans to it that needed to be repaid from pledges, and a lot of those loans were being used to pay for venues and services etc that he owned.

What gets me is how unpopular both candidates are, especially considering the populace complaining voted them into the positions in the first place.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 22:46
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Along with the standard 'true blue' states that are reliably democratic
Genuine question: Why have Americans got the colours the wrong way round?

We know that Americans use the word "reds" to describe commies, Europeans, etc, so why use red as the colour of the more right wing of their two right wing parties?
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 22:51
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GtW,

There's history, bug I can't remember the details, but one of the networks swapped the colors around and it became standard.

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Old 8th Nov 2016, 22:54
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GtW,

There's history, bug I can't remember the details, but one of the networks swapped the colors around and it became standard.

Orange future

The saddest moment for me in this whole sordid campaign occured this morning in Trumps press conference. He told the gathered audience that he must win as a loss will mean he has wasted an incredible amount of his time and money.
Sad to say, true. To say Donald lost the plot is a lie; he never had it beyond expressing some genuine anger and frustration with the "elites" who really have list the plot.

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Old 9th Nov 2016, 01:57
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Went back to 2000 Election when one or two of the media outlets decided to use REd= REpublican on their electoral maps.
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 02:06
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Right now, Trump is rolling up 129 electoral votes to Clinton's 68, bug very early. This might be a closer horse race than the elite pundits thought.

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Old 9th Nov 2016, 02:12
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I think you're right G-F. Trump was trading at 7-1 an hour ago and is now just 2-1.
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 02:25
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The talking heads seem almost upset announcing Trump is more competitive than they expected.
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 02:31
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I hope your excitement is well founded Westie as I believe you truly do deserve a Trump presidency!
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 02:37
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Mexican Peso is collapsing against the $ and Far East markets are tanking. Too close to call this now.....
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 02:40
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2140 eastern time and many critical states - "too close to call".
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