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Old 22nd May 2020, 06:51
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Some of the states don't just want to allow mail in voting without cause but they want to allow the admittance of harvested votes.

Vote harvesting is where the filled in voting papers are collected by a third party (usually and agent of one of the parties) and delivered to the counting station. Sometimes in USA politics it is difficult to work out what the actual agenda is!
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Old 22nd May 2020, 08:28
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Originally Posted by ChrisVJ View Post
Sometimes in USA politics it is difficult to work out what the actual agenda is!
Not in this case. Wonder whether mailed in votes tend to be more in favour of Republicans or Democrats (and not because Democrats are more likely to commit voter fraud)? A clue: does Donald get up in a morning determined to a) serve his country the best he can, or b) do all he can to improve his re-election chances?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:27
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Imagine being this pathetic and weak.


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Old 22nd May 2020, 14:25
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I believe Winemaker has a similar history to me, and likely cannot disagree.
Actually I am American by birth, as my father was an American and I was reported as 'Child born abroad of American parent or Parents' (Form #240 of the Foreign Service) to the American Consulate in Wellington; I actually have the paperwork in front of me. I'm also a NZ citizen by birth and have both passports. As to fraud, yes it's possible to rig the system on an individual basis, but to commit any sort of fraud that would change election results just doesn't seem doable; it's too much work for too little result. Ballot 'harvesting' should be illegal, that's where fraud could come in. The one case of harvesting fraud I know of was committed by a Republican and he got caught.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 15:45
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I stand corrected about your status, Winemaker. Your history is different from mine. My tnree kids all have the same US "born abroad" status as you, so no need for you to to produce any papers. My point is that neither I, nor they, nor presumably you, has ever had to show those papers to a voter registration official.

Which leads me to my final point about voter fraud. Dems love to state that "noncitizen voting is extremely rare" when in fact the reason it is rarely brought out is that the matter is seldom if ever raised beyond signing "yes, I am".
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Old 22nd May 2020, 16:41
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post

Which leads me to my final point about voter fraud. Dems love to state that "noncitizen voting is extremely rare" when in fact the reason it is rarely brought out is that the matter is seldom if ever raised beyond signing "yes, I am".
I think it differs by state.
In Ohio when you go into vote, before you get a ballot you have to sign your name, the signature of which is compared to that when you registered to vote in Ohio. If the signatures do not closely compare, your ballot is challenged and held for further review.
For voting by mail, you request or provided a request form that is filled out with the following information: You need to request an absentee ballot by written request, and it must contain all of the following information:
  • Your date of birth
  • Your name
  • Your signature
  • The address at which you are registered to vote and your date of birth
  • One of these items showing proof of identification: Ohio driver's license number, the last four digits of your Social Security number, a copy of your current and valid photo ID, military ID, or a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and current address
  • A statement identifying the election for which absent voter's ballots are requested
  • A statement that you are a qualified elector
  • If you want the ballots to be mailed, the address to which you want them mailed
Then when you receive your ballot, it comes with an envelope it is placed in after filling it out and sealed. The outside of that envelope contains information that you must provide including your signature. That envelope is then placed in another envelope that can be mailed, dropped off at the Board of Elections Office or the polling location where you would normally vote. If it is mailed, it has to be postmarked no later than the day before the election, if it is dropped off it has to be received the day of the election before the polls close.

The system didn't work well for the recently held 100% mail primary as a delay requested for the primary election to adequately prepare for the 100% mail election was denied by the Republican controlled House although the Republican Governor made the request. As a result, some of the requested 1.6 million ballots or more didn't arrive in time or at all for the election date meaning not everyone who wanted to vote got to vote, not good in a democracy.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 17:05
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obgraham,

Just to followup on the voter discussion, here is some additional details from the Ohio Republican controlled administration in 2018:
Seventy-seven apparent non-citizens voted in Ohio's general election in November 2018, the state's top election official said Wednesday, and another 277 were able to successfully register in violation of state law.

The announcement from Republican Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose -- coming after years of GOP warnings of massive voter fraud -- means that of the 4,496,834 ballots cast in Ohio on November 6, 2018, just .002% of them were illegal.
LaRose's office said those caught are in the US legally, but do not hold US citizenship, and have been referred for investigation and prosecution by the state attorney general. A spokesman for Attorney General Dave Yost said his office was in the process of reviewing the matter.
The secretary of state's office used the state's voter registration database and motor vehicles department's records of driver's license and identification card applications that indicate one's citizenship status to identify the non-citizens. Those who voted illegally and illegally registered to vote gave documentation to the department of motor vehicles identifying themselves as non-citizens, according to the release.It also said notices were sent to the address where they are registered to vote requesting they cancel their voter registration or notify LaRose's office if they have become a US citizen.
In November 2018, 8,070,917 people were registered to vote in the state, so the 354 illegal registrations represent just .004% of the total.
LaRose acknowledged "both voter fraud and voter suppression are exceedingly rare and certainly not as systemic as some claim."
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Old 22nd May 2020, 17:08
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The madness of American politics continues

Uh, you said what?
And then Twitter explodes.
(And I wonder if that was taken out of context a bit, since they seemed to be having a conversation before that)
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Old 22nd May 2020, 18:05
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Turbine:
You're still missing my point. These:
One of these items showing proof of identification:
Are ID items, not citizenship items. And Dems oppose even this in most of their favorite states.
And this:
A statement that you are a qualified elector
Is simply what it says.

I won't pretend to speak for Ohio. Maybe you have zero voter fraud there. But I don't see how the numbers you produced were anything other than conjuring. Those were the noncitizens actually caught. Somebody had to suspect those individuals. But I can assure you it would be very unlikely that I, as a pale white guy speaking with a bit of Canadian lilt, would be questioned. Especially if I avoided "eh?"
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Old 23rd May 2020, 03:22
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Gee, an electoral roll is looking better and better every day. You know you have a substandard system don't you
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