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I stand corrected about your status, Winemaker. Your history is different from mine. My tnree kids all have the same US "born abroad" status as you, so no need for you to to produce any papers. My point is that neither I, nor they, nor presumably you, has ever had to show those papers to a voter registration official.
Which leads me to my final point about voter fraud. Dems love to state that "noncitizen voting is extremely rare" when in fact the reason it is rarely brought out is that the matter is seldom if ever raised beyond signing "yes, I am".
Which leads me to my final point about voter fraud. Dems love to state that "noncitizen voting is extremely rare" when in fact the reason it is rarely brought out is that the matter is seldom if ever raised beyond signing "yes, I am".
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Originally Posted by obgraham
Which leads me to my final point about voter fraud. Dems love to state that "noncitizen voting is extremely rare" when in fact the reason it is rarely brought out is that the matter is seldom if ever raised beyond signing "yes, I am".
In Ohio when you go into vote, before you get a ballot you have to sign your name, the signature of which is compared to that when you registered to vote in Ohio. If the signatures do not closely compare, your ballot is challenged and held for further review.
For voting by mail, you request or provided a request form that is filled out with the following information: You need to request an absentee ballot by written request, and it must contain all of the following information:
- Your date of birth
- Your name
- Your signature
- The address at which you are registered to vote and your date of birth
- One of these items showing proof of identification: Ohio driver's license number, the last four digits of your Social Security number, a copy of your current and valid photo ID, military ID, or a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and current address
- A statement identifying the election for which absent voter's ballots are requested
- A statement that you are a qualified elector
- If you want the ballots to be mailed, the address to which you want them mailed
The system didn't work well for the recently held 100% mail primary as a delay requested for the primary election to adequately prepare for the 100% mail election was denied by the Republican controlled House although the Republican Governor made the request. As a result, some of the requested 1.6 million ballots or more didn't arrive in time or at all for the election date meaning not everyone who wanted to vote got to vote, not good in a democracy.
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obgraham,
Just to followup on the voter discussion, here is some additional details from the Ohio Republican controlled administration in 2018:
Just to followup on the voter discussion, here is some additional details from the Ohio Republican controlled administration in 2018:
Seventy-seven apparent non-citizens voted in Ohio's general election in November 2018, the state's top election official said Wednesday, and another 277 were able to successfully register in violation of state law.
The announcement from Republican Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose -- coming after years of GOP warnings of massive voter fraud -- means that of the 4,496,834 ballots cast in Ohio on November 6, 2018, just .002% of them were illegal.
LaRose's office said those caught are in the US legally, but do not hold US citizenship, and have been referred for investigation and prosecution by the state attorney general. A spokesman for Attorney General Dave Yost said his office was in the process of reviewing the matter.
The secretary of state's office used the state's voter registration database and motor vehicles department's records of driver's license and identification card applications that indicate one's citizenship status to identify the non-citizens. Those who voted illegally and illegally registered to vote gave documentation to the department of motor vehicles identifying themselves as non-citizens, according to the release.It also said notices were sent to the address where they are registered to vote requesting they cancel their voter registration or notify LaRose's office if they have become a US citizen.
In November 2018, 8,070,917 people were registered to vote in the state, so the 354 illegal registrations represent just .004% of the total.
LaRose acknowledged "both voter fraud and voter suppression are exceedingly rare and certainly not as systemic as some claim."
The announcement from Republican Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose -- coming after years of GOP warnings of massive voter fraud -- means that of the 4,496,834 ballots cast in Ohio on November 6, 2018, just .002% of them were illegal.
LaRose's office said those caught are in the US legally, but do not hold US citizenship, and have been referred for investigation and prosecution by the state attorney general. A spokesman for Attorney General Dave Yost said his office was in the process of reviewing the matter.
The secretary of state's office used the state's voter registration database and motor vehicles department's records of driver's license and identification card applications that indicate one's citizenship status to identify the non-citizens. Those who voted illegally and illegally registered to vote gave documentation to the department of motor vehicles identifying themselves as non-citizens, according to the release.It also said notices were sent to the address where they are registered to vote requesting they cancel their voter registration or notify LaRose's office if they have become a US citizen.
In November 2018, 8,070,917 people were registered to vote in the state, so the 354 illegal registrations represent just .004% of the total.
LaRose acknowledged "both voter fraud and voter suppression are exceedingly rare and certainly not as systemic as some claim."
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Turbine:
You're still missing my point. These:
Are ID items, not citizenship items. And Dems oppose even this in most of their favorite states.
And this:
Is simply what it says.
I won't pretend to speak for Ohio. Maybe you have zero voter fraud there. But I don't see how the numbers you produced were anything other than conjuring. Those were the noncitizens actually caught. Somebody had to suspect those individuals. But I can assure you it would be very unlikely that I, as a pale white guy speaking with a bit of Canadian lilt, would be questioned. Especially if I avoided "eh?"
You're still missing my point. These:
One of these items showing proof of identification:
And this:
A statement that you are a qualified elector
I won't pretend to speak for Ohio. Maybe you have zero voter fraud there. But I don't see how the numbers you produced were anything other than conjuring. Those were the noncitizens actually caught. Somebody had to suspect those individuals. But I can assure you it would be very unlikely that I, as a pale white guy speaking with a bit of Canadian lilt, would be questioned. Especially if I avoided "eh?"
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We will remember them.
Can someone pse remind POTUS that the traditional salutation for Memorial Day, commemorating those who bravely gave their lives for their country isn’t “HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY!’ .
We will remember them.
We will remember them.
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Originally Posted by Boudreaux Bob
US CDC confirmed the Virus Death Rate is 0.03%......but then the Media is not going to tell you that are they?
Even if they did....it would not change your mind I bet.
Even if they did....it would not change your mind I bet.
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Doesn't matter, Boudreax. To them, if you put 38 million out of work, and save one old geezer life, that's a good deal. Especially if you can persuade them by November that it was all Trump's fault.
That's Biden's task. Is he up to it?
That's Biden's task. Is he up to it?
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
News, information, and fact are three words that are sometimes better related to each other than at other times.
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Originally Posted by obgraham
Doesn't matter, Boudreax. To them, if you put 38 million out of work, and save one old geezer life, that's a good deal.
But we'll remember them next Memorial Day!
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full
0.03% of what?
Confirmed Covid cases? Actual Covid cases? U.S. population?
Confirmed Covid cases? Actual Covid cases? U.S. population?
It depends on whether or not the party of pro-life actually means it. How many lives are are country willing to throw away for the economy? How many family members, friends, Democrats?
OB. One old geezer? Nice way to completely trivialise over 90,000 of your citizens dying.
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It's not rocket science.... US has lost 0.03% of its total population to COVID 19. As a comparison, Italy has lost 0.055%, whereas most other comparable countries are around 0.02%. These look like small differences, until you consider the pain and suffering of people losing loved ones in overwhelmed ICUs, where no proper care was possible anymore. Proper distancing measures and crisis management by governments will make up those differences of 0.01 to 0.02 percentiles: and if you think that it's unimportant, and not worth the economic sacrifice, you're certainly entitled to that opinion. Personally, I don't feel entitled to disregard the fate of "some few old and sick people" in order to safeguard my net worth or the stock market, but that's just me...
