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Old 17th Apr 2020, 17:58
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From a Previous Posting by SAS:
To really piss some folks off.....Trump in 2020 for four more Years!
Unsupported opinions are just that, unsupported. But then there is documented history which isn't an opinion at all, just factual:

Economic indicators that typically predict a president’s re-election are blinking red for Trump. Since 1900, six presidents ran for re-election following an economic recession in the previous two years—five lost. Take a guess at who the one was that won. Incumbents during that period who didn’t face a recession within two years of their re-election all won second terms,
Meanwhile, here is an interesting read and pictorial about the COVID-19 pandemic:


https://mehlmancastagnetti.com/wp-co...article_inline



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Old 17th Apr 2020, 18:10
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Since 1900, six presidents ran for re-election following an economic recession in the previous two years—five lost.
There might be some hope for the Dems in figures like that. But then they go and pick.....Biden??
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 18:14
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“The Chinese may be nice to those shitholes but they'll never do anything apart from loot them of their mineral resources.”

Yes, just like every other empire in history, they aint there to be nice.

“It would appear the Muslims are more the "influencers" in that part of the World these days than the Chinese.”

Or perhaps the French and the Americans in particular who trained the very people responsible for most of the terrorist attacks occurring in the country.

“Because it was most likely preventable and little or nothing is/was done to do that.”

And you know this how?
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 19:17
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Unsupported opinions are just that, unsupported. But then there is documented history which isn't an opinion at all, just factual:

Economic indicators that typically predict a president’s re-election are blinking red for Trump. Since 1900, six presidents ran for re-election following an economic recession in the previous two years—five lost. Take a guess at who the one was that won. Incumbents during that period who didn’t face a recession within two years of their re-election all won second terms,
Meanwhile, here is an interesting read and pictorial about the COVID-19 pandemic:


https://mehlmancastagnetti.com/wp-co...article_inline

I would agree that the normal consensus is that Presidents seeking re-election dont win. However 2 points to bear in mind:

1 - up to the beginning of the year the US economy under Trump was booming and this recession has been caused totally by China - so an easy way to shift blame.

2 - can Biden campaign against Trump on the basis that the US was not prepared when we see from the charts on slide #9 that the capabilities of Hospital sector and the CDC were slashed under the Obama regime of which he was a key part. At least Trump can argue that since he was elected it hasn't got any worse than when he inherited it.

Going to be an interesting November
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 19:41
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"up to the beginning of the year the US economy under Trump was booming....."

Yes, booming only as the result of an ever increasing debt load that was bound to pop at some point.....

".....and this recession has been caused totally by China - so an easy way to shift blame."

......no, the virus was the pin that popped the biggest debt bubble in history.

This currency/fiat money crisis has been decades in the making and the virus has conveniently shifted focus away from the real problem that will last a lot longer than Covid 19.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Unsupported opinions are just that, unsupported. But then there is documented history which isn't an opinion at all, just factual:

Economic indicators that typically predict a president’s re-election are blinking red for Trump. Since 1900, six presidents ran for re-election following an economic recession in the previous two years—five lost. Take a guess at who the one was that won. Incumbents during that period who didn’t face a recession within two years of their re-election all won second terms,
Meanwhile, here is an interesting read and pictorial about the COVID-19 pandemic:


https://mehlmancastagnetti.com/wp-co...article_inline
Past performance is no guarantee of future results...

I recall many offering similar predictions just a few years back. Biden may not be as despised as Hillary, but he’ll give independents an uneasy feeling.


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Old 17th Apr 2020, 19:54
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I'm surprised anyone even wants the job, given the enormous challenges ahead. I reckon even Trump must thinking about it.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 20:25
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The politican cat fight continues.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-more...nion_lead_pos2

... For seven long days, Democrats have been blocking a $250 billion refill for the Paycheck Protection Program, and on Thursday morning the loan fund finally ran out of money. “Every Senate Republican was ready to act today,” Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on the Senate floor Thursday. “But Democrats would not let us reopen the program.”

On Thursday the Labor Department said another 5.2 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week. That brings the total in four weeks to a mind-bending 22 million. The Paycheck Protection Program is meant to blunt this trauma, and so far it has approved 1.6 million forgivable loans to small businesses. The idea is to keep companies stable amid the pandemic, so they can retain workers. Without this cash infusion, it’s hard to fathom how much worse the economic data might look.

Now the pot is empty. On Thursday the Small Business Administration said it had exhausted about $350 billion in loans that Congress provided. Last week the White House asked for $250 billion more. Democrats objected, demanding policy changes and extra money for other relief funds that aren’t close to running out.

In a joint statement Monday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called for “further changes” to the Paycheck Protection Program, plus “significantly increased” funding for disaster grants and loans, plus “additional support” for the food-stamp program, plus “adequate funding” for nationwide virus testing and personal protective equipment, plus “the collection and publication of demographic data” so that “we can accurately determine the level of impact on under-served communities and communities of color.”

Identity politics and the social pork barrel trump jobs and business solvency.

Democrats can make all this part of their election campaign, but the Paycheck Protection Program is out of funds today. Every minute that passes, another small business may go bust or lay off staff.

Mrs. Pelosi has been saying far and wide that President Trump is responsible for the Covid-19 death toll because he didn’t act quickly enough to stop it. The longer Democrats refuse to provide financing for small businesses after government cut off their revenue, the more Americans will have every right to conclude that Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Schumer are responsible for the worsening economic destruction……
Source = Wall Street Journal.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:41
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
The politican cat fight continues.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-more...nion_lead_pos2
Source = Wall Street Journal.
I agree with the WSJ article for the most part. What Nancy Pelosi should have done was to enlist the aid of the Republican House minority leader to come up with an acceptable compromise and send that compromise to the Senate. Then let Mitch McConnell sit on the political stove burner until the heat becomes too great to do nothing but gets off the burner by doing something positive for the American people.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:56
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Past performance is no guarantee of future results...

I recall many offering similar predictions just a few years back. Biden may not be as despised as Hillary, but he’ll give independents an uneasy feeling.
Past performance, if good, helps keep your present position, that is if you worked in industry or you didn't crash your aircraft... That is what this is all about for Donald J. Trump in politics. Trump is in a position that has far more visibility than working in industry or being a pilot if you get my gist...
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 01:31
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
It is not just Lansing that these protests are taking place.
You seem to be quite ok with people defiying social distance ( a measure which has been shown to be an effective way to flatten the curve of infections) in putting not only themselves but also others at risk.
But then the Thing in the WH called them "responsible people", so that what be allright with a disciple.
Reminds me of the infamous "there were fine people on both sides"
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 02:10
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Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are the very best examples of why we need Term Limits in Congress.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 02:41
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are the very best examples of why we need Term Limits in Congress.
Care to enlighten us why?
Any answer to my earlier post?
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 02:55
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are the very best examples of why we need Term Limits in Congress.
It's not a people problem, it's an operational problem brought on by divisive politics which is a child of fake news and a gullible reader.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 03:48
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There is a deep deep sickness in America. While the rest of the world gathers on their balconies singing songs, Americans gather with guns. Trump needs to hurry up and build the wall and extend it all the way around America to protect the rest of us.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 10:50
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
OK, this: [TDS] Is something made up to insult opponents, but this:[Dirty Donald] and [Intellect of a Mushroom] are erudite contributions to the debate.
There is a huge difference. Those unthinking disciples of Dirty Donald have convinced themselves that "TDS" is an actual medical condition and treat it as such. The epithet "Dirty Donald" is simply using the same form of address that the fake president used against his opponent in the last election. Of course hid disciples are habitual hypocrites because they never raised so much as a murmur of criticism against their godhead then, but don't like receiving what they gave.

The "Intellect of a mushroom" thing is self-evident. The man cannot even assemble a coherent sentence, and can't remember what lies he's used on a minute-by-minute basis so that he frequently contradicts himself while he's making up yet more lies. I originally thought his election was the result of a perfect storm of extremist backlash augmented by covert interference from foreign powers and commercial interests, but from what I read on here I'm becoming forced to conclude that he simply represents the character of the majority of Americans and they voted for their own kind. Brainless, mendacious, bullying and utterly subservient to whoever has the most money. This is not the America that I remember from when I lived there, so it seems the place has changed. Sad, but then you are free to elect whomever you wish. And we are free to judge you on your choices.

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Old 18th Apr 2020, 11:32
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"There is a deep deep sickness in America. While the rest of the world gathers on their balconies singing songs, Americans gather with guns. Trump needs to hurry up and build the wall and extend it all the way around America, then fill it with water, to protect the rest of us."
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 11:42
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Seeing posts like that....reminds me of something American Cowboys used to say....."The water is not going to clear up until someone gets the Pigs out of the creek!".
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 11:50
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It must be a difficult situation for the authorities in Michigan and elsewhere. Do they intervene and disperse the protests to stop the virus spreading amongst the protesters and their buddies, or do they let them continue their democratic and peaceful protests? They must be agonising over what to do behind closed doors.
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Old 18th Apr 2020, 11:50
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are the very best examples of why we need Term Limits in Congress.
As a Brit I don't know if anyone - Cuomo - could stand against Trump in 200 days?
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