US Politics Hamsterwheel v2.0

[FLCH]

Originally Posted by cashash

Dont know why the Mexicans are worried - apparently they are immune anyway..

Mexican governor says poor are 'immune' to coronavirus

Bat tacos on the menu ?

[IFMU]

Did somebody here order a hamster wheel?

You Tube

[421dog]

Originally Posted by IFMU

Did somebody here order a hamster wheel?
https://youtu.be/G3i74UaJTMY

heck, the frenchies were doing that at Mont st Michel 250 yrs ago. (If I recall corretly, they had 2 or 3 of them)

[neila83]

Living in Mexico, it's interesting to note it doesn't matter whether from left or right, populist Presidents will kill people in a crisis. Mexico is in a s**t sandwich between its own President who copied the Trump playbook note for note, and the man who wrote it. Denial, downplay. Pure concern with the effect on maintaining popularity with his cult, rather than the good of the nation. Given the links between Mexico and the US, obviously what happens north of the border is likely quickly to affect the epidemic here. Perhaps Mexico should build a wall?

This crisis is a good example of why political cults are so dangerous. When intelligent people lose all reason and can twist their minds to justify anything, to defend a 'side', that is when very bad things tend to happen in the world because it stops being about right and wrong, but merely about your side 'winning' whatever the cost. I've seen plenty of intelligent people (my mum being one when) lost all reason on certain things because of this, and no amount of logic will change their minds. It's really sad to see, I've literally watched my mum change as a person during Corbyn's reign and it has affected our family relationships, defending him comes before anything.

It's playground stuff and some here still clearly delight in it even as people are dying without their loved ones even being able to be in the room with them. I've seen it in the UK with Corbyn, here in Mexico, in the US obviously, in a lot of the world right now It's not a football match, you don't have to pick a team, pick what's best for your country. And when a global pandemic is happening and your guy's actions are clearly going to kill people, maybe step up and prove yourself better than a cult member, and someone concerned for the nation rather than a bizarre obsession with defending one man who I assure you doesn't care about you. The irony that Trump's supporters are basically equivalent to the far left cults will be completely lost on them.

[obgraham]

Odd how nobody ever admits that THEY are in a cult.

It's always some other person's views that lead them to be called cultists.

[SASless]

I think I shall start doing some cut and pasting....take British posts from here....alter a few key words and post them over on the UK Hamstrerwheel and see what kind of reaction they get.



I think I shall start looking at re-runs of the Beverly Hill Billies or something like that so I can see something more sophisticated than this drivel.

[neila83]

Originally Posted by obgraham

Odd how nobody ever admits that THEY are in a cult.

It's always some other person's views that lead them to be called cultists.

Not that odd, admitting you're in a cult would be admitting none of your opinions are based in reason.

Happy to admit to being part of the cult of Chelsea football club though and completely irrational to any refereeing decisions against it.

I suppose a test here would be whether someone can admit that maybe Trump's initial reaction to this and the vast majority of his statements have been shown to be wrong. Similarly to the Mexican President, and I've argued with ardent lefties here about that who won't accept he's done any wrong, Mexico could be in a very bad situation in a few weeks, if not I will be very happy to be wrong. You'd think at times like this political affiliation shouldn't be important, there are governments of both sides that have reacted well, and of both sides that have reacted badly. Some with good intention, some clearly for political reasons, and that is what should have people angry, rather than perpetuating the false message. Some here were still saying this was all just hysteria and over-reaction recently, as the hospitals already reach breaking point, do we still think that?

[West Coast]

Originally Posted by ORAC

Since you asked the question.

https://medium.com/@transphilosophr/...l-523c8e7398e5

The Issue of Trans Athletes Is Philosophical, Not Physiological

The crux of the piece is life’s unfair, tall vs short, etc so what’s one more inequity by allowing a biological male to compete against biological female.

[Twitter]

The fact that 60% of Americans think that Trump is managing the crisis well means that 60% of Americans are bloody stupid.

Trouble is, so are 60% of Brits, Arabs, Aussies...

As for WHO - they need the money.

[Slaine]

Indeed.
A good example of one of the uses of doublespeak, reversing the intent of a third party's statement to assist a propaganda campaign.

[Sallyann1234]

Originally Posted by Torquetalk

Your kidding surely SASless? That was a cheeky slight.

Watching Trump speaking about Covid reminds me strongly of Canute.
Trump has said the virus will go by Easter, so it will. What will happen to his approval ratings when Covid is washing around him?

[Torquetalk]

Originally Posted by Sallyann1234

Watching Trump speaking about Covid reminds me strongly of Canute.
Trump has said the virus will go by Easter, so it will. What will happen to his approval ratings when Covid is washing around him?

Wouldn‘t put any bets on anything. Especially as perfectly intelligent people just will not see his inadequacy and unsuitability as president and slavishly defend him.

[KelvinD]

What will happen to his approval ratings when Covid is washing around him?

Rest assured. They will be "the most fantastic approval ratings any where in the world. Beautiful approval ratings. Most fantastic approval ratings. Even in Wuhan, most amazing approval ratings."

[TURIN]

Originally Posted by obgraham

Odd how nobody ever admits that THEY are in a cult.

It's always some other person's views that lead them to be called cultists.

Primordialradio.com. Not A Cult

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by Sallyann1234

Watching Trump speaking about Covid reminds me strongly of Canute.
Trump has said the virus will go by Easter, so it will. What will happen to his approval ratings when Covid is washing around him?

Obviously, on this side of the Atlantic, we're not always seeing the whole picture of President Trump's pronouncements, just the bits that are deemed more newsworthy (which where he is concerned are the dafter, more extreme ones). However, based purely on what we are fed by the main news outlets, he does come across as being in almost total denial as the the extent of the Covid 19 problem in his country, and what are appearing to be glaring inadequacies in the US healthcare system. To even consider that, in a country which is perhaps 2-3 weeks behind the UK's point in the outbreak, that everything will be great by Easter is disillusional in the extreme. If Trump were to try and re-open business and commerce too early, apart from inflicting yet more premature deaths on the US population, he could cause the USA to be put in virtual isolation from the rest of the world; after all, no European, Asian, or frankly any other nation on earth that has done the right thing and (hopefully) quelled the outbreak is going to welcome American freely travelling to their countries as though nothing had happened.

I guess that the reason so many people in the USA support his policies and actions surrounding the Covid 19 crisis is that away from big cities they live in virual isolation from the rest of the USA, not to mention the world, and unless things have changed radically since I was last there, "the world" consists mainly of the USA, plus to some extent Canada and Mexico.

I wouldn't wish a catastrophe on the USA and it's people, but unless and until the man at the top starts treating it seriously, that may well be where they wind up. Learn from China and Korea, that have seemingly done a good job in limiting the virus, and from Italy and a number of other European nations that clearly have not (and I'm not sure I exclude the UK from them). The US (and the UK for that matter) in a globalised world is not an island.

[Paultheparaglider]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

To even consider that, in a country which is perhaps 2-3 weeks behind the UK's point in the outbreak, that everything will be great by Easter is disillusional in the extreme.

I'm not sure it is behind the UK. It currently tops the Worldometer table.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by Paultheparaglider

I'm not sure it is behind the UK. It currently tops the Worldometer table.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Looking at the curve, certainly not 2-3 weeks as I had suggested, I'd say nearer a week. However the acceleration of the outbreak looks as though it's been somewhat faster than in UK, possibly because of testing issues at the outset (that's not overlook that in UK we also have testing issues).

[Good Vibs]

Maybe this is the answer?

[cashash]

AOC on a roll today today complaining that the bail-out cash doesn't go to illegal immigrants. I sometimes wonder if the Dem's actually want to win in November.

[West Coast]

Originally Posted by cashash

AOC on a roll today today complaining that the bail-out cash doesn't go to illegal immigrants. I sometimes wonder if the Dem's actually want to win in November.

I thought surely that must be wrong, but no, it’s entirely accurate unfortunately.