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Old 21st Sep 2016, 22:09
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It spends the Citizen's money after taking out a huge Administrative Fee.
Good government, alongside a healthy marketplace is what brings us the majority of major research and scientific advancement. Good government is how Medicare can post a dramatically lower overhead compared to their private sector competition - big insurance companies. Good government beat diseases like polio and smallpox. Good government in cooperation with medical professionals is what keeps citizens of most of the EU, Canada, and the UK and Australia healthy and medically debt-free. Good government put us on the moon and will lead the way to more high-minded endeavours - something that private enterprise will never be able to fully match.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 22:43
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Good government is how Medicare can post a dramatically lower overhead compared to their private sector competition - big insurance companies.
Given the very large fraud claims rate on government payouts like Medicare, I can argue that its overhead rate is TOO LOW to properly monitor its operation.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 22:49
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That's an interesting argument, Barit. I'm not refuting it, but am intrigued by the idea. It stands to reason as Medicare's disability programs are rife with recipient fraud.

The other side of that, had private insurers held the same money, we can be fairly sure it would take a team of well-paid lawyers a slew of billable hours to pry a meager sum out of them in order to pay for a widowed woman's rickety wheelchair and her calcium supplements.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 23:06
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. . .Carly Fiorina, the CEO that failed miserably, taking a profitable legacy corporation like HP, turning into a loss making enterprise all the while skipping away with bags of cash in executive bonuses.
I know this is a popular view of HP's "profitable legacy", but in fact HP was facing a changing marketplace and not responding well to this threat. Into this turmoil, Carly came on board and was thus "damned if she do and damned if she don't."

So painful as is was, she managed to keep the HP ship afloat. She did not fail miserably.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 23:13
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Seems Hills is hiding out. What's the deal there?

Save for the Debates, only one scheduled appearance through 19 October. She's got more subs than the US Navy.

https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 01:51
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To coin a phrase, vapilot, horseshoe and hominy grits.

Medical bills causing bankruptcy is much debated and hardly conclusive, your 11 million number is complete bs. Canadians have similar bankruptcy rates to the US, in fact. Where did you get 11 million, btw?

643,000 Bankruptcies in the U.S. Every Year Due to Medical Bills : snopes.com

Medical bankruptcy: Fact or fiction? | TheHill

My political position, I made no bogus claims, is that citizens support to government to secure their rights, the government does NOT support the government.

Last year and all the last 16 years, defense spending has been at about 4% of GDP, which is two-thirds of the peak Reagan years and half of pre-Vietnam years and NO one was screaming defense was bankrupting the country. Defense spending less than Meducare spending which is bankrupting us. The best number I've seen is $1.3 trillion, far short of your $6 trillion.

I paid, including employer share, about $320,000 in FICA taxes, if I had invested that over my working life, it'd easily be worth $750,000 and I'd have a property right to the money instead of promise of Social Security which has been reduced in value. GOOD government, indeed, I'm getting robbed by the criminals.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 05:16
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On the subject of Foundations, a much beloved topic for some on here or rather one particular Foundation, here's a little article to consider....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...utes-reporting

No doubt it's all a misunderstanding and it's just those damn pinko Left wing rabble stirring up trouble again......
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 06:21
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Siti - Iam having treatment from the NHS for cancer and do not recognise the nonsense you are spouting.I have had scans,radiotherapy and now hormone therapy without any payment being made. The service is free at the point of use only an idiot such as those that criticise the service would think that we do not recognise that it has to be paid for.The cost of the service is a fraction of the most inefficient health care in the developed world - the USA. Read the Commonwealth Funds report on health care in the developed world - that is an American organisation in spite of its name and be enlightened.
Well, I certainly hope you survive the NHS.

A close friend has been having ongoing treatment for a faulty heart valve. During the run up to his op, he was called in and told he would need a procedure prior to undergoing surgery. He called the surgery department to query this as no mention had been made of it by the surgeon. The administrator was insistent but my friend persevered and despite much obstruction was given an appointment with the surgeon to discuss this anomaly. At the meeting the surgeon described the paperwork as a mess and my friends notes had been mixed up with those of someone else.
The op eventually went ahead and it was discovered that his heart valve could be repaired, instead of replaced, which was good news.
After his recovery he was told to make an appointment for six months time for a check up and he waited for the appointment letter to arrive. When it did, it was for nine, not six months. Querying this he was told they would look into it. When the letter for the rescheduled appointment arrived, it was for eleven months ahead. By this time he was becoming a bit pissed off and made an official complaint and the hospital is now claiming that he cancelled the appointment rather than ask for it to be held at the six month point, which was a lie.
My friend, who is a top criminal lawyer, is still waiting for this to be resolved.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 07:03
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No doubt it's all a misunderstanding and it's just those damn pinko Left wing rabble stirring up trouble again......
Umm, you post that together with a link to the Guardian Comment is Free (CIF) site? You are having a laugh aren't you?

For those interested do a google search on CiF censorship and CIF Watch.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 09:35
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Krystal & chips, thank you for that link to the TRUMP Foundation, which is surely a wonderful example of true self interest in action! As one of its charitable aims, it sponsored a portrait of Trump himself....splendid!

A few months back some chap who had visited the Trump mansion in Florida had admired a very very large portrait of Trump - full length, with tennis racket. and a very fit body. Hanging in his lounge. for all visitors to appreciate.

The kicker was that a few doors away in that very wealthy neighbourhood was hanging a NEARLY identical portrait of a well built full length tennis player -
with the head of a different householder! you couldn't improve on that display... The fraudster defrauded. Hooray to the artist, may he long prosper.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 15:10
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Siti - the NHS performs about 9.9 million surgical operations per annum,treats 22 million A&E patients per annum. It treats 1 million patients every 36hours - perhaps 'your friend' was a little unlucky?
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 15:53
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Site's friend's experience sounds very similar to one I have just had with our wonderful Veterans Administration (VA).

Had a diagnostic procedure done after fighting the system for over a year....to be told i required a Colon Resection despite the Written Report showing nothing that would justify such a Surgery.

Upon Consultation with the Surgeon who would have done the Procedure....he confirmed I had no need for such a procedure then during the discussion told me he sent his difficult cases to the original Doctor.

To say I very much question the competence of both the two Doctors and the VA system....is an understatement. I am going through another source of Medical Care to have a full course of diagnostics done just to make sure what the real situation is re my Innards.

The key point is both systems are Single Provider Government Health Care systems....the VA and the UK NHS.

Do non-government systems make mistakes....absolutely but the difference I see between privately run and government systems easily convinces me to go the private route for any care possible.

The VA after four Years has finally agreed to do a Cataract Procedure on my left eye....but told me it would be June 2017 before they could do it. Fortunately, there is a method called "Fee Basis Non-VA Provider Care" that I qualify for that will allow the Procedure to be done by a non-VA Private Care Provider and the VA will pay for it. I will be having that Surgery in the next two Months with the longest delay being the VA Administrative Procedure in getting all the paperwork done to authorize the Provider to do the work.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 18:02
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Maybe we are lucky being in Scotland because I have no problems with the NHS. However, again not really relevant to this thread.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 20:06
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The magic Skittle we might be missing - CapX
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 05:02
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Such a, well, truly eloquent show of support for "the Donald" ......with a bit of misogyny thrown in for good measure.....


http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up

See "Getting the vote out"
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 07:31
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State admits: Islamic State terrorists trying to pose as refugees | Washington Examiner

State Department spokesman John Kirby acknowledged Wednesday that Islamic State terrorists are trying to mingle with refugee populations overseas in the hopes of making it to the U.S. posing as a refugee.

"I wouldn't debate the fact that there's the potential for ISIS terrorists to try to insert themselves, and we see that in some of the refugee camps in Jordan and in Turkey, where they try to insert themselves into the population," Kirby said on "Fox and Friends."

Still, he argued that the vetting process for these refugees is tough, and should be enough to keep terrorists out, although he admitted it's not a perfect process. "The vetting process, while not perfect, is a very, very stringent, and it can take almost up to two years for a single refugee to make it into the country," he said. He said in the same interview: "Is it perfect? Can it be perfect? Can it be foolproof? Well, probably not, no."

Questions about refugee vetting have been raised again after the weekend bombings in New York and New Jersey, which police believe may have been done by a U.S. national who was born in Afghanistan.

Just days later, President Obama met with world leaders in New York to ask them to accept more refugees, even as Republicans in Congress and Donald Trump have said the U.S. needs to slow down the process of accepting people.
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 14:30
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The same folks that tell us saving a single life by removing all guns from the hands of law abiding citizens will not apply the same logic to the Refugee Infiltration problem will they?

When Trump suggested doing so....we saw the reaction from those folks splashed all over the Media.

Just they object to "Profiling" of Muslims or Young Black Men....they sure do not object to Profiling gun owners.

They object to Voter ID to vote....but required Photo ID's to get into the Democrat National Convention.

Just what is it they want I wonder?
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 17:06
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Please advise how you can "vet" a refugee who claims to have no papers or documents (usually because he threw them away).
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 17:11
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The same way you can safely and effectively "Vet" a person who has a False Passport and Identity Papers produced by ISIS who took over blank passports and other documentation and the machinery to produce bogus Passports.

In other words.....you cannot.

Case in Point....I have a Somali Passport issued by the former Passport guy in Mogadishu....purchased at a hole in the Moga Airport Fence for Twenty USD.
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 19:14
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Please advise how you can "vet" a refugee who claims to have no papers or documents (usually because he threw them away).
You can't, obviously.

This isn't just a US problem, it's a global problem. I suspect the majority of "refugees" are either economic migrants who are not, under the international definition, refugees, or a few will be either terrorists or people intent on infiltrating Western society to create "home grown terrorists".

AFAICS, there is no way that any border control authority can vet anyone who is claiming to be a legitimate refugee, unless they happen to have demonstrably valid documentary evidence as to who they are and where they have come from. Given the ease with which false documents can be obtained I think we have to work on the basis that every potential refugee is really a potential threat to our society.

That's tough on the genuine refugees, of whom there are many, but I really don't see how any Western state can adopt anything other than a very tough scrutiny process for all.

Perhaps we need to hold all immigrants in secure internment camps whilst we try and filter out the genuine refugees from the large number of economic or terrorist-connected immigrants. Despite having sympathy for those who have a genuine reason for leaving their home country, I really don't think we can just open the gates for anyone to enter any of our countries - the risk is just too great.
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