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Old 30th Mar 2015, 22:42
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How does one find out who deletes posts?

I have had a post deleted from the A320 thread.

It was compiled with consideration and I really cannot understand why it was deleted.

Unfortunately I did not keep a copy of the text (maybe I will in future).

I suppose that it was too long (to read) and was probably deleted rather than be bothered to read and understand my points (which seemed reasonable and pertinent to me).

I also suppose that moderators 'never enter into correspondence' with those that have their posts deleted.

Shame really, but, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions - it's their trainset.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 22:48
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The basic rule is "if you care, keep a copy".

My PC has a nasty habit of dumping long posts just before I press "submit". I think there's a key combination somewhere on the bottom left of the keyboard that does that. So I prepare offline and keep copies anyway.

I mod on a couple of forums elsewhere, and it's noticeable that some posters become extremely aggressive with any mod who removes a post and tells them why. The standard rule of "say nowt" thus makes a lot of sense. They don't know which mod to shout at, and a general shout at the mod team may bring its own reward.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 22:52
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 23:01
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Thanks for the honour of a reply.


Yes, I know and understand the rules, but I struggle to understand the detail (other than no explanation is given when posts are deleted) as to why my particular post 'offended'.
It seemed pertinent and unoffensive.

I realise that I am not an aviation professional, but I have an extensive background and experience in investigation of experimental vehicular failures and 'accidents'.

Just saying.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 23:07
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Sometimes you can be just unlucky as catch a mod at wrong time, on bad day or they just read your post where they see something other than what was your intent. On other days nobody says a word.

Based on other fora I have used I have yet to see ill intent on behalf of mods, they make mistakes but given whom they have to work with they do a good job. And yup have had more than fair share of bans.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 23:13
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What further puzzles me is when I see posts that are simply repeats of earlier points or are simply 'kookie' - yet they seem to survive.

As I said, I put significant thought into compiling my contribution to be informative and non-contravertial, and I've just checked that it didn't contravene any of the above No-Nos.

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Old 30th Mar 2015, 23:23
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G/C, try putting it up again that thread has become a hamster wheel and perhaps a new perspective would help.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 23:35
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a) I don't have a copy,

and,

b) I would never attempt to repost a deleted post - therein lies exclusion (for defiance).

No doubt the original text is available to mods.

I wouldn't object to an edited version appearing.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 00:24
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It would be a hard call for the mods (suck suck ) damed if they do and damed if they don't. Do you make an exception here or blanket rule it.

I would imagine at times on some particular topics its an almost impossible task for volunteers to keep up with.

Not sure of the potential magnitude of the problem but maybe some stats would help.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 01:33
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G-C, I know how you feel. I had a lengthy post deleted on that thread. I'd taken quotes from three (I think) other posters and laid out an argument for what seemed logical before the voice recorder revealed the unimaginable.


I wasn't that surprised, but I do get frustrated when posts like the following are allowed to remain:
"I'm not a pilot, and don't know anything about planes, and am still in nursery school but I do make paper planes that go a long way. I feel sure the captain must have pressed the down button instead of the up button.

Sorry, Mummy says I have to go to bed now."


Having said this, such posts turn out to be as valid as mine.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 01:51
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"I'm not a pilot, and don't know anything about planes, and am still in nursery school but I do make paper planes that go a long way. I feel sure the captain must have pressed the down button instead of the up button.
I also agree that the above post is incomplete and doesn't add to the discussion at hand in the A320 thread.

He should have added that the pilot must not have been feeling well and pushed the down button instead of the up button while going deaf from all the banging and cussing noises behind him.

That way it would have been a good summary of the last 50 pages.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 05:58
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You are not alone, fairly early in the week I made a post to that thread. I noted the page number (low 30s I recall) and went back a couple of hours later to discover that is was now on page 22. 10 pages or so of posts had been deleted.

I hadn't seen anything that were breaking the rules, but there had been a lot of repetition, posts saying the same thing being made within minutes or seconds of each other. It still was breaking news (pun not intended). I assumed the Mods were culling extraneous / duplicate / irrelevant information. And I think that is a very good thing™. Perhaps your post simply got caught up in the process.

Probably doesn't make you feel any better but having a post deleted happens to everyone, particularly on R&N.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 06:36
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G-CPTN, I happened to read the post and it seemed reasonable (well, but I'm not a pilot either... a mandatory beginning it seemed there for a while ) and I followed the link to the dog-in-cockpit article that made a lot more sense than most (articles) and when turning back to the thread, your post was gone. Kind of puzzled me, too.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 07:12
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Sometimes posts get deleted as collateral damage, sometimes they get deleted for breaching the rules, sometimes they get deleted for no apparent reason at all.

Sometimes people get banned from a thread for no reason, sometimes others seem to get away with all sorts, it's the nature of forums.

I moderate two other forums, and sometimes it is too time consuming to either explain to someone why their post has been deleted or why they've been banned (both end up being long PM exchanges that I can't be bothered to enter). Often it's easier to just delete a bunch of posts than make the thread look off by having gaps where there are answers to posts that no longer exist.

Sometimes there are people who are known to sail close to the wind and one or other of the mods may be more sensitive than the others and delete a post, or impose a ban, because of a difference in judgement.

There are some sure-fire ways to get a thread ban or post deleted, though, and that is to suggest that you have been moderated, or even hint at it.

Like others, I've had posts that haven't appeared because of a glitch at my end when posting (happened to me last week on here). I mentioned it and got a thread ban, as the mod probably thought I was being critical of moderation by mentioning the missing post (I think I didn't do a good enough job of explaining that it was, more likely than not, a problem my end, which it turned out to be when I checked my browser history).

I think we just have to accept that stuff like this will happen from time to time, and enjoy what we have. Being a moderator on any forum isn't much fun, especially as it's an unpaid job. Much of the time you're trying to make fine judgements as to the reaction a post will create, as well as dealing with a few clever people who deliberately set out to make others break the rules, whilst not breaking them themselves.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 07:22
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I think you've got to have sympathy with the Mods under these circumstances. Everyone thinks they have a valuable insight into incidents like the Germanwings A320 and new posts appear on the subject threads almost as quickly as you can read them. Keeping some sort of order amongst the chaos can't be easy.

Having observed the way the threads have developed with previous disasters, I get the feeling that the mods have a bit of a philosophy. Dumb posts are sometimes deliberately left up for more sensible posters to pick apart. Particular themes which come to light are sometimes given precedence for a while at the expense of the general chit chat. Good posts can be deleted if they cover old ground, just to keep the thread manageable

I think you just have to roll with it.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 10:23
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I am taking some time out from the UKIP thread ( some time not being defined ) presumably for rising to the bait and making a personal attack. I wonder if the Master Baiter ( term used deliberately, looking through posts of his elsewhere he does make a habit of it) who provoked my action received the same punishment?
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 10:47
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So nice to have a human response.

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 10:55
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Re that A320 thread, I had a dream a few nights ago and in that dream it turned out that the reason that posts made by REAL pilots were being deleted is because the mods have subscribed to some university research program to see if kids with only MS-FlightSim experience can solve a real world mystery.

Saves on costs for paying for qualified investigators.
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This one doesn't seem to be enforced very tightly, looking at recent posts.

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 11:25
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Scroll back up to what Andy_S has written - he done broke the code.

The thread concerned is 250 pages in one week including the deletions.

Deletion ratios?

Repetition 60% Offends the experienced pilots the most. If I've got 22,000 hours it doesn't matter I'm the 20th person to say exactly the same thing about the flight deck door. They're deleted tactically to maintain a couple of themes which have the mass to dominate and explore a couple of areas over a pair of pages. Repetition is still there in spades but heavily culled to develop, maintain and explore particular themes in a more logical, ordered way.

Non Pilots 20% Naive questions driving regular, long term users to distraction

Boffins: Analysis and just a few pointers merchants: P frame rates would dominate live video from the flight deck in terms of bandwidth in this way.......

...or catheter use and tactics to avoid toilet breaks.

Window Lickers and swivel eyed loons 10%: Deleted but the only thing that keeps the mod squad sane. Recent favourites:

Virus Brought down Flight GermanWings
Sorry I added this to a previous post, and now I have the possibilty of adding threads so here goes....

I can only conclude that this flight was brought down by a computer virus!

EVERYTHING FITS

The plane was checked on Monday! Great opportunity to infect it!

All good until cruising height was reached a day after the plane was checked, a good alibi and a wonderful trigger for the virus.

Then, all communications are shut down by the computer, and blocks all pilots control inputs. The virus continues then to modify whichever flight surface is required (forgive my ignorance but I don’t know which it would be!) to put that plane into a controlled decent, albeit a steep one, but nonetheless a controlled one!

Given the debris field, that plane crashed at supersonic speed…. It did not deviate from its course nor were any MayDay calls made which collaborates a computer override.

The intention goes far beyond this sole crash….

They tried to de-stabilise the West by bringing down the Trade Centres, but didn’t count on the contingency plans in place for the banking sector, specially decent on the American side, less so on the European one, but they hit America, and it took no more than 3 days, more or less, for the banking sector to be working normally, but this is not the case for the aeronautical industry…… it will be chaos, and I anticipate further incidents like this……


Bring down the commercial aviation industry, and we will have another major recession and crisis, with all that comes along with it, and that’s what they want.

That flight was infected and brought down, and there will be others…. No doubt about it!

These planes are flying computers afterall, so they are just as vulnerable as our PCs….. please think about this and take it into consideration.

The solution is easy thank god.....!!!! firewalls, antiviruses, and better still, version checks, whereby one can see if anything at all has been modified in the core operating system of the plane’s flight computer…..


I may be wrong! But the fact that they didn’t want anything left so that one could not understand what brought the flight down is an indication of intent…… smash it into a mountain at supersonic speed, and not even the flight recorders will survive…. One has…! And this will reveal plenty, but….. think about it!

There could be more ticking time bombs out there, as simple as a virus placed by someone who understands the software and has access to the planes.


Hope I am wrong!
and:

Co-Pilot framed, not on plane
LiveLeak.com - Co-Pilot framed, not on plane


co-pilot was found dead in the trunk of his car at the airport in Barcelona
investigators believe man who murdered him was the same man that took down the plane
All time favourite from last year: A cargo of lions and tigers broke free and attacked the flight deck.

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