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Old 11th Mar 2015, 16:02
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Apple watch.

I use Apple products iPad iPhone etc but I can't see the point in the new watch, to use it apparently it needs to be linked via Bluetooth to an iPhone which is in your pocket anyway, perhaps I'm missing something.
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 16:13
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It's another move by Apple to stitch up the world of personal communications. What they stand for is the opposite to 'open systems' which has been the great enabler in IT leading to the Internet et al.

Apple would drag us back to the profitable (for them) but hobbling to technology progress world of locked-in consumers of closed systems. The users are not savvy enough to see this happening, unlike the business users of IT back in the 80s when the yoke of closed systems was thrown off by them.

Apple make superb products that work very well, and are the work of the devil.

Great products, with a business ethos that stinks, relying on ignorant fashion-victim users with their heads up their arses.
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 16:48
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it apparently it needs to be linked via Bluetooth to an iPhone which is in your pocket anyway
It doesn't need Bluetooth if your iPhone is on the same WiFi network.

As to why the iPhone is needed for network connection... just think about it for two minutes ... given the size of the watch, you are limited as to what you can put in there and how many features can be "built-in". But in particular,you are limited as to what choices you have for battery .... and as we all know, comms and RF eats up battery. Therefore if an iPhone is nearby, you can use a weaker signal and thus require less energy usage. Your iPhone can then use its larger battery whilst its busy communicating with a cell tower that's much further away. You can also use you're iPhone's RF and battery for GPS too.

I think you also need to remember, that as far as ALL manufacturers are concerned (including Apple), we're still only in the first generation of smart watches ... as the time progresses, and technology improves, no doubt the amount "built-in" to a watch will improve and reliance on external devices will be reduced or eliminated.

It's another move by Apple to stitch up the world of personal communications.
Oh great, here we go, another thread dedicated to mindless Apple bashing !

So my friend, what exactly are Google doing with Android then ? With "Google Glass" and "Android Wear".

Fact of the matter is that it's a competitive market and Google are one of Apple's largest competitors. It would be foolish for Apple not to adapt to both the demands of the consumers and what Apple's competitors are up to in the marketplace.

locked-in consumers of closed systems.
Apple is not a closed system, as the multitude of app's on the App Store demonstrates to you, anybody can write Apps.

Furthermore Apple's desktop systems all run off an Open Source platform base (BSD) and you may go download all of Apple's source code from Apple's own website at opensource dot apple dot com .... which is more than can be said for Microsoft Windows, for example !

So please Shaggy Sheep Driver, give it a rest. Nobody gives a toss if you don't like or refuse to use Apple products, just don't use it as an excuse to jump on the Apple-bashing bandwagon, because you're going to be proven wrong, time after time due to the distinct lack of facts supporting your "arguments".

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Old 11th Mar 2015, 16:59
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Ah, the great Apple apologist, mixture. Pray tell me where I can buy an iPhone or an iPad made by someone other than Apple? You seem blinkered to what 'open' means. It means I can buy a Windows PC or an Android tablet or phone from any one of many, many manufacturers. And they are in competition with each other. So the prices stay low, and the consumer wins.

I can only buy an i-thingy from Apple. I would be locked into them if I went that way. They can stitch me up like a kipper and charge outrageous prices because they know I can't go anywhere else. Just like the major IT companies (IBM, DEC, etc) did back in the 80s until it was sorted out by a demanding customer base not easily duped.

And if Apple is so open, why can't I run Facetime on my Android tablet / phone?

I think, like many Apple fashion victims, you are too young to remember how closed systems choked mainstream IT development for decades. The really useful developments like the Internet and universal electronic communication only came with open systems. Apple would drag us back to that closed world where the manufacturer does very well thank you, at the expense of the customer base and of progress.
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 17:00
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Great products, with a business ethos that stinks, relying on ignorant fashion-victim users with their heads up their arses.
I think that it boils down Form, Fashion, Function and Apple have, as you say, great products, easy to use for not overly tech minded customers and they look good. I'm certain that the majority of the Apple consumers couldn't give a **** about the fact that they can't fiddle around with the hardware or software (outside of those of high-tech ability), but just want something that works and when it burps, a reset is usually the remedy.

To see the glee which the new generation of Apple product consumers display whilst using their purchases shows me that Apple have got their product right for the mass market and people are prepared to pay a premium to have their products as a sign of their taste etc etc. There are potentially ominous consequences of having a very dominant closed system, but alas most aren't looking that far ahead. The watch will do really well I predict, but not like the iPhone, iPad et al. Btw, I'm still using a vintage laptop from Apple, so am not one of the above fanatics


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Old 11th Mar 2015, 17:07
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Shaggy Sheep Driver,

I'm not going to waste keyboard time with you. You're never going to listen.

I get the impression I've seen a lot more of the developments over the decades in the IT industry than you have, and I get the impression that I understand the IT industry a lot more than you do.

If I'm wrong in that impression, then I offer my apologies, but quite frankly I don't see any of the people I know in the industry write the nonsense that you just have.
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 17:32
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Apple watch.

If you don't like, don't buy it.
Here endeth the lesson!
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 17:32
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Evidently buried in the small print on the Apple website:

Battery usage of 3 hours if used to make phone calls; 6 hrs if listening to music and 7 hrs if used as a fitness monitor. No mention of usage when listening to music while working out!

You might want to take a battery pack or a long extension cord with you Mixture when your out and about wearing your wonderful new timepiece.
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 17:40
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No mention of usage when listening to music while working out!
Probably because listening to music is no doubt a built-in function that does not use RF and so will have a much longer battery life !

You might want to take a battery pack or a long extension cord with you Mixture when your out and about wearing your wonderful new timepiece.
As I said before, these are the first generation of smart watches from ALL manufacturers.

They are not going to be perfect, they are not going to have a super battery life.... its a first generation product !

Accordingly, because I'm perfectly happy with my present watch, and I understand the possible implications of being an early-adopter of a first generation product, I'm going to wait until the second generation before even considering taking a look at ANY smart watch, be it from Apple or any other manufacturer !

The hardware design process on these probably started 3-5 years ago, when technology was vastly different....what's coming next, where the design process started in 2014/2015 is likely to be the more interesting stuff !
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 17:50
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C'mon you guys. Can't we discuss this product and leave the mud slinging to other existing threads.

I'm actually very interested in the Apple Watch's capability of being used as a continuous glucose monitor. I would buy one of the gold ones if I could have that. But will it work? Will it work well?

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Old 11th Mar 2015, 18:17
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Apple watch.

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Old 11th Mar 2015, 19:19
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So this device is planned as a fitness monitor. This means it is intended to be swung around, shaken and stirred.

Many old(ish) electric watches have half a flywheel installed that when moved starts to revolve at a remarkable speed and spins a little generator. This would seem (to my uninformed mind) to be a logical addition to this watch, as it would certainly extend battery life a little bit. But there must be a reason to omit this, I am sure?
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 20:07
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I can't think of a single technology company that has people camping outside their stores time and time again when the new iteration of product comes along.
That says everything you need to know about Apple fashion victims. I remember a TV reporter asking one such camper why he was letting this bit of not-very-important consumer electronics so rule his life; "because the new model has.... a nicer coloured case than the present model"!

There is no way that person wasn't very, very stupid. And very very typical of the type.

How can you expect such 'more money and spare time than sense' shallow no-nothings to see the way Apple is manipulating the market? As someone else on this thread said:

There are potentially ominous consequences of having a very dominant closed system, but alas most aren't looking that far ahead.
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 20:13
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Accordingly, because I'm perfectly happy with my present watch
Perfectly happy with mine too.

Although I'm pretty sure they told me when I bought it that the battery life was a year, in practice it lasts several times that long.
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Old 11th Mar 2015, 20:16
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Just got my new Apple Watch:

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Old 11th Mar 2015, 21:50
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Buggrit!! I was expecting something about Kate Humble or Michaela Strachan.
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Old 12th Mar 2015, 01:54
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Old 12th Mar 2015, 03:03
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No-one is forcing people to shell out their hard-earned on Apple products.

People do their research and make their own decisions.Apple's success is a true phenomenon,not many companies can put high margins on devices and still have high demand.If people want to stand in line waiting for their newest product or decide to change it because they like the newest colours more,then so what ?

(I've never owned or used an Apple product,alternatives always supplied by my employer)
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Old 12th Mar 2015, 03:16
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I wonder how long before the first person tries to swim while wearing one.
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Old 12th Mar 2015, 04:13
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I'm looking at a bit of newfangled kit as well ...






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