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Old 20th Feb 2015, 16:54
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How to spot a Russian bomber

Found this bit of Dads army stuff whilst reading the Manston thread.

BBC News - How to spot a Russian bomber
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Old 20th Feb 2015, 17:40
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Concerning Wednesday's incident when RAF Typhoons "escorted" a couple of Russian (ahem) TU-95MS 'Bear H' bombers off the coast of Cornwall, I understand that the same Russian bombers were also intercepted by French Rafales or Mirages. Does anyone know who (French Air Force or RAF) got there first...?
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These Bears were also "escorted" by the Danes and Germans as well. Perhaps not the same Bears but TU-95's nonetheless.
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Look at Airship's link and go to the video near the end, with the Mirage reference. Fascinating view out of the Bear of the props. Because of the camera's scan (strobing) the props can be seen in slow motion (and the blades look bent) but just see what a massively coarse pitch they are set at! They are almost feathered!

The Bear is faster than a Nimrod apparently. It must be the fastest turbo prop in the world and with such highly swept wings presumably flies at a high subsonic mach number. Anyone know its cruise mach?
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Old 20th Feb 2015, 18:13
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Back in the day, there were 8 variants of the Bear (and 9 Badgers, etc), and one had to know all of them.
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Old 20th Feb 2015, 18:29
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It is quite understandable why someone like yourself had to know the profile of the Soviet air fleet menace! However, and for reasons which remain elusive to me still, we as lowly US Army infantryman - prowling the fields and forests of the Fulda Gap - also had to know those same identities. Not much an Infantryman can do against a Backfire bomber. Except maybe to run away as fast as you can. (You can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man.)
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The ability of someone on the ground to identify an 'alien' aircraft is useful to be able to report back.

Back in the days as an Air cadet, I was also trained in aircraft recognition - something that came in useful many years later when I was able to identify a low-flying Sukhoi 22 which was on an exchange exercise of the Polish Airforce.

We used to have an Observer Corps that operated as the eyes and ears of the defence forces. They had no weaponry, just reporting ability.
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Don't know about spotting bears, as you can hear them then feel them coming. The noise inside these crates must be dreadful!!
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Old 20th Feb 2015, 19:06
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" The Bear is faster than a Nimrod apparently"

Gosh !.....erm, could this be because said Nimrod is no longer flying perhaps ?.

Stroboscopic effect...rather than, strobes.....the latter are flashing lights thingy's wot are located on the wing tips and top and bottom of the aeroplane.....one would have thunk only a pilot would have known this.

Anyway, we can relax, because, we have an eminently qualified observer in Cornwall for all future incursions......possibly a covert role in deep cover and location for many years now.....care to" neither confirm nor deny"....always "loved" this offering when uttered in any context, not simply M.o.D speak.....TTN ?...
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SSD wrote:

The Bear is faster than a Nimrod apparently. It must be the fastest turbo prop in the world and with such highly swept wings presumably flies at a high subsonic mach number. Anyone know its cruise mach?
They used to slow down and cruise alongside Nimrods back in the Cold War era, though. I can well remember doing passes down either side and waving at the Ruskies, who always waved back on one or two occasions when we came across them doing pretty much what they are doing now.

It seems we're descending back into that era again, with the Russians seeming to be behaving pretty much as they did all through the soviet era.

I suspect we may rue the day when we assumed we could cut back on everything Cold War associated when the former Soviet Union collapsed. I remember arguing (ineffectively) at the time that the Russians would probably retain a far greater proportion of their military capability than we were so keen to throw away to save money.
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I suspect we may rue the day when we assumed we could cut back on everything Cold War associated when the former Soviet Union collapsed.
A-10 Warthogs are being re-deployed to Europe as per the Pentagon. Initially a squadron will be sent with more coming afterwards.
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The Bear is faster than a Nimrod apparently. It must be the fastest turbo prop in the world and with such highly swept wings presumably flies at a high subsonic mach number. Anyone know its cruise mach?
Couldn't find a Mach cruise number for them, just the max speed of 575 mph. So taking a WAG I'd guess about .74 to .76 Mach for a average cruise number.

What ever it is, it's damn fast for a turboprop.
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That is indeed fast for a turboprop. Especially compared to the C-130 whose top speed, at 20,000', is just over 360mph.
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That is indeed fast for a turboprop. Especially compared to the C-130 whose top speed, at 20,000', is just over 360mph.
I've heard that it is even noisier inside than a C-130, if that is possible.
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I've heard that it is even noisier inside than a C-130, if that is possible.
Could have been worse. At least they cancelled the nuclear-powered Bear when they realized the crews would die of radiation poisoning after a few flights.
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The noise inside of a C-130 is incredible. If we didn't wear ear protection we'd have gone deaf in no time. Not exactly a ride known for comfort, that's for sure.
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I once flew in the back of a C130 from Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota to Winnipeg, Winnipeg to Goose Bay, Goose Bay to Keflavik and Keflavik to RAF Marham. My ears rang and my sternum vibrated for a week afterwards. I reckon it's the reason I have tinitus.
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UK-Sardinia via Germany in a Fat Albert. I was recommended to use the Deep Inebriation technique to survive it. Worked! As far as I remember, the aircrews used the same tactic.
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The Bear is faster than a Nimrod apparently.
Chap I knew who was a Nimrod nav was telling me a while back that once when in loose formation on a Bear, the guy called them up on their frequency and just said "Hey - Neemrod" - then opened everything up and left them standing.

K & C - I will certainly be keeping my eyes peeled in the coming days. I may even go up to Bodmin to get a refresher course on Russian aircraft recognition.

Russian bomber flew inland over Cornwall, witness claims | UK news | The Guardian

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Old 20th Feb 2015, 21:27
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Originally Posted by rgbrock1 View Post
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The noise inside of a C-130 is incredible. If we didn't wear ear protection we'd have gone deaf in no time. Not exactly a ride known for comfort, that's for sure.
15 years ish of Loadmasterin on them I can testify to the accuracy of that

I wore a headset or helmet at all times but still now suffer with the kind of deafness that means I can't distinguish conversation etc in a noisy room or bar, feckin awful
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