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Old 15th Feb 2015, 20:18
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VED (road tax as was)

There's just been a BMW supercar on Top Gear which is a hybrid. That is, as well as a petrol engine it has batteries and some traction motors.

Bottom line is it does in the 'real world' as opposed to BMW's labs, (as Clarkson discovered) 30mpg. It has a top speed of a tad under 140mph. The VED is.... ZERO! And heaven knows what earth resources it takes to build one (and its batteries, which will need to be replaced after a few years).

In my garage among the motorcycles is a little Honda C90 (over 60,000,000 produced, so research and prototypes well amortised, not much resource to make one). 87cc, 7bhp, 120mpg, max speed about 55mph. VED 17 per year.

That is nonsense on stilts by any measure. But hey, wasn't it one Gordon Brown who introduced these skewed VED rates?

Time for a rethink on these zero rated 'hybrid' supercars? Or should I fix a traction motor to the C90's battery?
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Old 15th Feb 2015, 20:33
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Wouldn't make any difference, it's the petrol engine which is type rated (if that's the right term) according to emissions and not power output. My car is smaller and lower powered than my wife's, yet I pay higher road tax. Ripoff Britain etc., etc.
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Old 15th Feb 2015, 20:53
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Honda C90 ... max speed about 55mph
I've had one do 60mph.

Downhill, and I had to get quite close to the juggernaut I was slipstreaming.

I was younger then, wouldn't do it now.
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Old 15th Feb 2015, 21:58
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Respect! I only ever had a C50. I dreamt of owning a C90.

55-60mph? Wow!
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Old 15th Feb 2015, 22:04
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My first bike was a S90, never been able to ride a bike without a tank ever since.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 09:06
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 09:23
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Crikey, this is turning into a 'little bike' thread! Here's the C90, which will be going on eBay in the spring as it's place in the fleet has been replaced by a Honda Innova 125 step-through, the 'ultimate Cub'.

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Old 16th Feb 2015, 09:41
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IIRC the Prius requires more resources to build than a Hummer
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 10:15
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The tax disc on my last 2L Mondeo Diesel said "NIL" in the price column. M's little Ka pays a lot more than that. It's a crazy system.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 10:28
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High rates of car tax are making it uneconomical to run some older cars, leading to cars being scrapped when there is life left in them. Surely better to use them for a few thousand miles a year (even with poor CO2) than scrap them.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 10:34
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The whole thing is just a case of politicians saying "look, we're doing something about it" when clearly they have no idea (or maybe it's no desire to get it right) of what they're doing.

That's the problem with letting people who are elected make decisions about anything that matters.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 10:35
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Oh, NO! There's a rumor that the BMW is going to be reassessed. I was going to order one, but won't risk it now.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 11:18
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The problem with diesel cars isn't upping the tax on them, it was encouraging people to buy them in the first place. That's what happens when politicians don't think things through and just concentrate on the greens shouting 'CO2', and set taxes accordingly.

I've been banging on for years about particulates - very nasty carbon granules that are carcinogenic and build up in the lung. Modern diesel engines have better combustion than the old smokers, but the particulates they produce are much more harmful in that they go straight through any filter, and are not usually visible being so fine.

It's high time diesel cars were taxed to move people over to petrol. It's just a pity the politicians got it wrong for decades and set taxes to work the other way - moving motorists from petrol to diesel.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 11:32
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Anyone else see the delightful irony in the fact that Rudolf Diesel was born in Paris? He probably chucked himself in la Manche 'cos he knew what the ffilthy ffrogs would do with his design.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 11:35
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Just a quick point about the title of this thread.

For years government did not want us to refer to it as "vehicle tax", after all any use of the word tax can cause us to get quite emotive. The preference was to refer to it as VED, vehicle excise duty ... still a cost but not a tax, heaven forbid they would shoulder the motorist with extra taxes.

However, now if you look at any government documentation on the matter you'll see it all refers to 'vehicle tax'.

Just as we knew all along our political masters are quite happy to stuff the motorist with any extra charges they can, and now they don't even mind calling it a tax.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 11:56
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Just a quick point about the title of this thread.

For years government did not want us to refer to it as "vehicle tax", after all any use of the word tax can cause us to get quite emotive. The preference was to refer to it as VED, vehicle excise duty ... still a cost but not a tax, heaven forbid they would shoulder the motorist with extra taxes.

However, now if you look at any government documentation on the matter you'll see it all refers to 'vehicle tax'.

Just as we knew all along our political masters are quite happy to stuff the motorist with any extra charges they can, and now they don't even mind calling it a tax.
It's not even a vehicle tax. It's still a road tax.

You're able to make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) and not pay it at all, i.e. you only pay it at all if your car uses the public roads. If you only pay it if you use the roads it is a road tax in everything but name.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 12:06
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Wasn't there a lot of stories about all petrol pumps needing vapour traps to stop people inhaling some toxic fumes from the petrol? Scandinavia was hot on it I recall.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 12:21
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It's a tax to operate a road vehicle, rather than a road tax. The fact that the rate of tax is linked to emissions tends to confirm that. It is assumed that a SORNed vehicle will be stored, rather than running but off the public road.
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 12:45
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I lived in the far east some years ago. The government were trying to get everyone off diesel cars, and back into petrol, due to pollution issues. All the taxis were diesel.

We returned to UK to discover that the complete opposite was happening there, quoting the same reasons!
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 12:55
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My two most recent cars have been diesels.
Both achieved far better economy than my many previous petrol-fuelled cars.

If only that I am using less of the precious hydrocarbon fuel then isn't that justification?

My current VED is zero, but the previous vehicle VED is 230. This vehicle is still in use (though not by me).
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