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Old 12th Jan 2015, 16:10
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Multiculturalism

With recent happenings I've had cause to wonder exactly what 'Multiculturalism' actually means. The dictionary describes it as the noun of "Multicultural" i.e.
Relating to or containing several cultural or ethnic groups within a society
Bloor says it
is a society that is at ease with the rich tapestry of human life and the desire amongst people to express their own identity in the manner they see fit.
Blainey says it
is divisive. It threatens social cohesion. It could, in the long-term, also endanger military security because it sets up enclaves which in a crisis could appeal to their own homelands for help. Multiculturalism is morally, intellectually and economically a sham
I find myself falling along the lines of Roosevelt in 1915

“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.

This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.

But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.

The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.
Is it racist to expect people to change to fit into 'your' society? If it is I think I'm guilty..
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a) No
b) If the answer to (a) is yes, I am also guilty.
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Well, can you have a Multicultural society that lives in harmony? Is the current series of events an historical anomaly or a portent of the future?

I've got 2 kids..
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Multiculturalism

In action - where everyone gets Malay, Indian, Western and Chinese public holidays.

Public Holidays 2015
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Is it racist to expect people to change to fit into 'your' society? If it is I think I'm guilty..
No, but ...........
If they can live in 'our' society peacefully and productively, without inconveniencing us, without imposing their beliefs and ways on us, and without burdening us with extra costs, then I don't see why they should change to 'fit into' our society.

Then again, if they choose not to fit in, which effectively means they isolate themselves, then they must accept the consequences and limitations of that.

What is fundamentally wrong is the way 'we' bend over backwards to accommodate and appease 'them'. I am totally against that, so no doubt I am racist in the eyes of many, even if this has nothing to do with 'race' at all.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 16:26
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Hempy:

Good question. I going to give my 2 cents on this but from an American perspective. My answer to the original question would be yes, multiculturalism can work.

I look at my country and although we are all Americans there are many different cultures here. Ones that have been here for a very long time as well. Take, for example, the folks down in Louisiana. Lots of cultural differences between them and, say, New Englanders. Just as they are cultural differences between Alaskans and South Carolinians. Granted, we do all share a certain affinity between us, but there are cultural differences by and large.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 16:30
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Hempy........ فمن الناس مثلك الذين ينتقدون عطلة على الفيلم الحافلات
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is a society that is at ease with the rich tapestry of human life and the desire amongst people to express their own identity in the manner they see fit.
If certain people desire to express their identity by murdering those who have offended them or who have chosen the wrong religion then I'm definitely NOT at ease with it........
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In action - where everyone gets Malay, Indian, Western and Chinese public holidays.
When I lived in Singapore in the 1960s, the British had 'Christian' holidays, the Chinese had their own, the Indians likewise and the Malays had everyones....
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MULTICULTURALISM...

What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 16:50
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A multi ethnic society works fine -a multicultural society is a different matter. My children are a mix of Scots,Irish,Filipino and Chinese with friends from several communities in our local area - when they get together there really is no sign of multiculturalism.The young people of today don't give a bugger about race religion or colour - there is hope for us yet.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 16:56
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What could possibly go wrong?
All you have to do is ask the Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian/Soviet Empire, or the Roman Empire.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 16:59
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All you have to do is ask the Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian/Soviet Empire, or the Roman Empire.
Or the European 'Union', the 'United' Kingdom, the Organisation of African 'Unity', or any of the artificial federations that have been created throughout history.
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Britain is a multicultural society that works 99% of the time.

Most people accept the mixture of races and origins here and, while not understanding some views and beliefs, most people agree that few of us can claim to be 'original Britons'.

We do have both immigrants and people from this country who break the law, who live on benefits and who abuse the system. These people let down their own societies.

We do have intolerant British people who shout about "Johnny Foreigners taking all our jobs, milking our benefits, carrying out all the crimes and hogging the streets.

While we may be currently a bit too lenient about the people we allow to arrive, in general the country would cease to work were it not for immigrants.

On the whole we all get along pretty well and our system would fall apart were it not from the contribution from all races here.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 18:53
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Canada is amulticultural society and is proud of it.

The US is a melting pot and is proud of it.

Where would you prefer to live (there is no right answer)?

Me, If it couldn't be here : Canada
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I like the Roosevelt comment. Norman Tebbitt had a similar idea with the Cricket test. I have a quandary. If an English or British team were to play a game against Israel, who would I support? As a Brit I should support 'my' team, but we also traditionally favour the underdogs. Do I support the team with my coreligionists, but what if the Israeli team has a sizeable non-Jewish part? Does it depend upon the import of the competition?

I have no answer. Recently an Israeli handball team came to Manchester to play a Warrington team in the first European game in the UK for 25 years. The local Jewish community was asked to come and show support which a few of did, and the total size of the gate was about 200 of whom the majority were Jewish. Not many regular spectators for handball it seems. Whilst we waved a few Israeli flags, we applauded both sides as I suspect I would have done in every sport except football, which is much more tribal and therefore taking sides is required I suppose. Not going to get a scarf wearing Man City supporter sitting in the Stretford End.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 20:05
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The US is a melting pot and is proud of it.
It certainly used to be, but I would now question that statement. 30 - 40 years ago, ask any American who he was and he'd give you a strange look and reply "An American, of course." Try that nowadays and your probable answer will be a something American with a hyphen in the middle, with the something coming before the American part.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 20:10
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I am an American. Nothing else but that. What my ancestry was I am well aware of. But I am not any of those, I am an American.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 20:38
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Is it racist to expect people to change to fit into 'your' society?
Quite aside from that, it would be pretty bloody boring if all the takeaways sold nothing but fish and chips.

I'm perfectly happy for all this immigrant communities to keep their own cuisine, and as long as they do so I'll keep buying it.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 20:50
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"All you have to do is ask the Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian/Soviet Empire, or the Roman Empire."

The old Empires, in their own way, didn't work so badly - certainly no worse than the squabbling mess we have now. The rise of nationalism during the Age of Enlightenment has a lot to answer for and the EU has not been the answer.

Once upon a time a man could declare with some pride, "Civis Romanus sum", whether he came from Mesopotamia or Mancumium and enjoy rights and privileges that non-citizens did not.

See, for interest's sake:

Apostle Paul's Roman citizenship

and

Paul the Roman Citizen: Roman Citizenship in the Ancient World and its Importance for Understanding Acts 22:22-29 | Sean A. Adams - Academia.edu

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