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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 19:43
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I'm not aware of the UK taking non-UK Ebola patients from any foreign country for treatment in the UK NHS. I'm not aware of any proposals to replicate the RAF's substantial medical evacuation capability in the failed proposals for an amputation of Scotland from the UK.

More to the point, I think the Heathrow screening process for the current epidemic is unfit for purpose and could, in only very slightly different circumstances, have caused a major public health hazard in the most densely populated part of Scotland.

I still hope that the lassie pulls through, though the realistic portents are not at all good.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 19:50
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Ebola patients are never moved for treatment in a foreign country....

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/..._for_care.html

I agree with your final sentence, which is why I find your failed attempt at political point-scoring crass.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 19:56
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Ebola patients are never moved for treatment in a foreign country....
So where exactly does anyone say that? Maybe I missed it, but what I read was...
I'm not aware of the UK taking non-UK Ebola patients from any foreign country for treatment in the UK NHS.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 20:00
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Yes, MFC, I'm sure it was. This is to what I was responding.


"At a local level, I'm glad that Scotland is still part of an integrated United Kingdom which has the critical mass to have such specialised facilities. An amputated Scotland almost certainly would not have the ability to replicate such sophisticated an costly services and capabilities"

This, however, is not the thread for such a discussion so I will not be commenting further.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 20:22
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Low Flier said:

>I still hope that the lassie pulls through<


We can all agree with that. The very best wishes for her - I am sure from all Ppruners.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 20:23
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I've just caught the tail-end of a news item saying there's a second unconnected suspected case in the UK. Anyone heard any more ?
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 20:34
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Person in isolation who had just returned from West Africa at the Great We.stern Hospital in Swindon for tests
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 20:35
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The Gloucester Citizen Gloucester Citizen Online | GloucesterCitizen.co.uk | Gloucester Citizen is reporting that someone from South Gloucestershire, who has recently returned from West Africa and who is displaying Ebola like symptoms, has been transferred to Swindon.
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Old 3rd Jan 2015, 21:26
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BBC News - Ebola tests on Swindon Great Western Hospital patient
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 12:20
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Apparently the Swindon one is all clear, but the Scots lassie is not doing well at all. Let's hope, pray and keep fingers crossed for her....
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 15:26
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Closing the gate after the horse has bolted, comes to mind.

The UN and WHO should have done a whole lot more years ago to attempt to contain this disease!! Why was more not done then? What excuse did they have not too.

A lot of them are useless over paid imbeciles. IMHO.
With all the due respect your post deserves would you mind doing just a bit of research before you plagiarise the Daily Snail?

The WHO is a specialist agency of the United Nations. It is headquartered in Geneva (hence the high salaries - it is expensive to live here).

I know a number of people that work at the WHO and without exception they are dedicated and hard working. Like every organisation on earth they have views on some of their senior management that are not complementary - but that doesn't stop them from doing a stellar job. Some of their major successes include:
  • Elimination of smallpox (in 1967, smallpox was endemic in 31 countries. In that year alone, between 10 and 15 million people were stricken with the disease: some 2 million died and millions of survivors were disfigured or blinded for life.) P Poliomyelitis (Polio) has been eliminated almost everywhere - saving millions from paralysis. It remains one of the WHO's top priorities.
  • Discovered a cure for Yaws, a crippling and disfiguring disease afflicting some 50 million people. Have you even heard of the disease?
  • Reduction in Onchocerciasis (river blindness) a parasitic disease of the tropics. About 10 million children born in the area since the programme began no longer risk contracting the disease.
  • Millions of children have been saved annually from death and disability from infectious diseases, owing to global immunization programmes. Already, eight out of ten of the world’s children are protected against six major childhood diseases — diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, tuberculosis and poliomyelitis. Child mortality has been greatly reduced, from 134 to about 80, per 1000 births. The world’s infant mortality rate has fallen by more than 37%.
  • WHO is at the threshold of eliminating other major diseases in the next few years, such as poliomyelitis, guinea-worm disease, Onchocerciasis, Chagas disease, neonatal tetanus, and leprosy.
These successes are not only in the third world. You and your children will live longer healthier lives because of WHO's work. Smallpox, Poliomyelitis, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Measles and Tuberculosis are mostly a thing of the past because of them.

Yes, they dropped the ball with this outbreak of Ebola, which spread much further than in any of the 24 previous outbreaks since 1976, and much further than anyone expected. Their role is not to send it hit teams to cure the outbreak, but to coordinate global responses and to assist affected countries.

We will see an end to this outbreak in 2015. And it won't be because of those hiding under their beds, hoping that they will be safe if they lock the rest of the world out.
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The WHOs attempts on polio are, sadly, thwarted by the evil, stupid and wicked Taliban.....if they were the only ones who got it, it would be very fitting.
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radeng, I couldn't agree more. But you will recall that a certain 'intelligence' agency used a 'hoax' polio vaccine to obtain DNA samples from a man they were looking for. Since then the terrorists have thwarted further attempts to vaccinate against polio, and other childhood diseases.

A decidedly unpleasant individual was found, but how many children (and aid workers) will die as a result of the hoax? Sometimes, methinks, the ends do not justify the means.
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Closing the gate after the horse has bolted, comes to mind.

The UN and WHO should have done a whole lot more years ago to attempt to contain this disease!! Why was more not done then? What excuse did they have not too.

A lot of them are useless over paid imbeciles. IMHO.
This disease has ALWAYS been contained, so the above just shows ignorance of the epidemiology of this, and similar, viral diseases. The human population of the world can be completely free of Ebola (and Marburg, Lassa and the other haemorrhagic viruses) for years, then an outbreak suddenly pops up seemingly from nowhere.

One theory for this outbreak is that a young child was infected from a bat colony in a tree, which is plausible, but unproven as yet. In the past, outbreaks have been associated with eating bush meat, the theory being that some primates and bats can carry the virus and transmit it to humans.

It isn't a disease like small pox that the WHO or anyone else can ever eradicate, as there will always be reservoirs of it in animal populations in certain areas.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 20:02
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Would you please specify the boundaries of this "containment"?
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 20:13
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If I'd been brave enough to volunteer to look after Ebola sufferers in west Africa.

And I thought I might have a fever.

And I thought it might be Ebola.

And I thought about about whether I'd prefer to be looked after 'out there' or be cared for in a 1st class properly equipped medical facility back in the UK.

And I thought I probably wasn't really contagious yet...

Would you blame me?
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 21:35
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If I'd been brave enough to volunteer to look after Ebola sufferers in west Africa.

And I thought I might have a fever.

And I thought it might be Ebola.

And I thought about about whether I'd prefer to be looked after 'out there' or be cared for in a 1st class properly equipped medical facility back in the UK.

And I thought I probably wasn't really contagious yet...

Would you blame me?
I wouldn't, but I would question your motivation to travel to a far away area of great danger to treat people who mean nothing to you, and then return harbouring this deadly disease to most likely infect those countrymen who apparently mean so little ? And that's not even counting the huge direct and indirect costs


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Old 4th Jan 2015, 21:44
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Would you please specify the boundaries of this "containment"?
Yes.

It is very, very simple.

Ebola does simply not exist in the human population of the planet for years on end. As such, it is contained, in as much as it doesn't exist in humans during these periods.

Unlike many other rather nasty diseases, Ebola (and the other haemorrhagic fevers) is not hosted in humans. It appears almost randomly by transfer from unknown (most probably animal) hosts from time to time, causing human outbreaks that are often self-limiting (just because, in the past, the high fatality rate, short incubation period and relatively poor mobility of the populations in the parts of Africa where the disease has occurred has stopped it spreading far).
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 21:54
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Thanks for that.

Bit like bird flue in 1918. How many did that kill so far? 15 - 20 million? I say so far, as i believe it will raise it's ugly head again.

You're correct though as to my inappropriate use of containment. I should have used control.

You mentioned mobility. There lies the problem, with Ebola.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 22:28
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Well said, Jack !
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