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Old 9th Dec 2014, 14:20
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Here in the U.S. alcohol consumption is measured by Blood Alcohol Concentration or Content (BAC). In most, if not all, States the limit is 0.08

A person's BAC level is the result of a complex interaction of weight, gender, alcohol consumed and time.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 14:21
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Just a matter of time until all alcohol is banned and women banned from driving.
The former would be an outrage, the latter? Not so much.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 15:40
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There is a load of sanctimonious pompous twaddle on this thread. Let he who has never drunk and driven cast the next stone. That should end this discussion. I have been drinking since 09.00 and driven all the way home from our night stop with glass in hand. The only other boat on the lagoon was a friend who intercepted us for a beer.He was driving as well.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 21:36
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Ok Exascot, I am a former lorry driver. I have driven ambulances. I used to drive 35000 miles a year in my own car (now down to a meagre 18000 for the last 10 years). I have held my licence for 27 years.

I have never drunk & driven. Not even a half pint of lager.

Just sayin'.
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 03:59
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Just blew .045.......faaaarkk!!! that was close!

12 hours after last drink.......? Maybe the machine was broken....

Lucky!...

..still copped a $400 speeding ticket [email protected]!!!...He seemed almost upset I didn't blow over the limit
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 12:11
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It is just the thin end of the wedge.The slippery slope ,once THEY get the alcohol banned from cars ,They will start to remove it from bars,restaurants,pubs........etc.
Just how will we remove the grease in our mouths from our bacon butties if we cannot rinse out with some strong still products ?
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 12:18
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Fitliker - was it not the Wee Free's policy that you could have sex on Sundays as long as you didn't enjoy it?
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 12:20
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Fitliker....make no mistake....I was (Accidentally) a Bees dick away from committing a criminal offence....

The officers disappointment in not being able to nab me was telling....enjoy working Sundays you Narcissistic A$$hole!!!
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 12:38
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Whilst we argue the merits of drink driving here like mostly civilised folk, sadly there are those out there who no matter what the alcohol limit is set at, no matter how many times they have been fined, and no matter how many times they lose their driving license, they simply cannot make the connection between dring driving and dangerous behaviour and will continue to re-offend regardless of what the alcohol limit is.

Having a zero alcohol limit doesn't accurately address the drink driving problem.
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 20:33
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That was exactly the point I was trying to make earier.

The latter day puritans who have taken over our world - where the hell did they come from? have no sense of moderation or discrimination.

Ban it is the only language they seem to understand - like "hang them" or "immigrants out" As for take a taxi - for me that would be the 50 pint - now that really is not on.

I like to go out and socialise, but I grew up with the breathalyser and have always been content with no more than a pint and a half at most, and have never had either an accident realted to a night out, or been pulled over for a test, in 47 years of driving.

I believe that if a survey of those who follow this level of consumption were actually totalled up nationally that would be very much the majority finding.

However - if you upped the alcohol consumption before such a survey to three pints, then five, then seven - or the equivalent spirits measurement, I am willing to bet that the statistics would soon show a different and increasingly frightening story.

It is NOT the social drinker or the low quantity drinker who should be targetted - it is the inconsiderate - of their own or anyone else's lives type who doesn't give a toss, drunk or sober about what the results of their actions could be. They will always down what they want and drive anyway. They need catching, and stopping.

Unfortunately we now live in a world of protocols and codes - not of responsbility or consequences for our actions. You are only statistically significant if you are caught. The number of traffic cars is being reduced - you only get breathalysed if you are very unlucky. The temptation to chance it and the catch me if you can mentality is being encouraged - and as I said at the outset, it is the normal reasonable type that is taking the hit.

I am grateful that I lived largely in a fairly liberal era. I fear for the kids.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 01:48
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Mrs. ExS once decided to leave her car behind and travel home with me - we could collect her car the next day -as she had consumed a small amount of wine with lunch.

I was stopped and was cleared - not been drinking - and drove on. Mrs. ExS. then suggested that we go back and have her tested, and if she was below the limit then we could collect her car and she could safely drive herself home.

Returning to the check-point I was once again tested, tho' the Hofficer recognised me from a few minutes previous, and having once again wasted his time Mrs. ExS. asked to be tested herself, and explained why. The Hofficer refused, telling her to present herself in her car then they would decide. She refused. I did a U-turn in front of the Hofficer as he watched, and as I approached the check point again he stopped me once more !!

Now tell me that this is all about road safety and not revenue gathering.

I totally agree with TBird, nothing will stop the those determined to drink and drive, the rules will only penalise the, generally, law abiding.

World's Gone Mad.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 02:17
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In my locality in NY they have taken some rather more effective steps to combat this problem than merely writing tickets or suspending a piece of paper.

If a driver is stopped for DWI and is going to be arrested, a quick check is made to find out whether he/she has a prior DWI conviction (not arrest) on their record. If they do...the car is impounded!

This is far more effective that breath interlocks or suspended licenses. The idea that the problem cannot be dealt with is of course utter nonsense, as Saudi Arabia and Singapore demonstrate. And obviously, if the car were impounded on the FIRST offense, additional lives could be saved and property not destroyed.

My opinion is, too many people make too much money off drunk drivers for politicians to ever want them to disappear entirely. Hand wringing is so much more satisfying than actually combating the problem.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 02:44
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The latter day puritans who have taken over our world - where the hell did they come from? have no sense of moderation or discrimination.

Ban it is the only language they seem to understand - like "hang them" or "immigrants out" As for take a taxi - for me that would be the 50 pint - now that really is not on.

I like to go out and socialise, but I grew up with the breathalyser and have always been content with no more than a pint and a half at most, and have never had either an accident realted to a night out, or been pulled over for a test, in 47 years of driving.

I believe that if a survey of those who follow this level of consumption were actually totalled up nationally that would be very much the majority finding.

However - if you upped the alcohol consumption before such a survey to three pints, then five, then seven - or the equivalent spirits measurement, I am willing to bet that the statistics would soon show a different and increasingly frightening story.

It is NOT the social drinker or the low quantity drinker who should be targetted - it is the inconsiderate - of their own or anyone else's lives type who doesn't give a toss, drunk or sober about what the results of their actions could be. They will always down what they want and drive anyway. They need catching, and stopping.

Unfortunately we now live in a world of protocols and codes - not of responsbility or consequences for our actions. You are only statistically significant if you are caught. The number of traffic cars is being reduced - you only get breathalysed if you are very unlucky. The temptation to chance it and the catch me if you can mentality is being encouraged - and as I said at the outset, it is the normal reasonable type that is taking the hit.

I am grateful that I lived largely in a fairly liberal era. I fear for the kids.


TBF,

We both grew up in the same era near enough.

The emphasis on not drinking and driving has increased significantly over time from then...you must remember the adverts about "one for the road"...to now and, it's got nothing to do with "ban this and that " or latter day puritans.

It has a lot to do with educating the population that drinking and driving is a lethal mix.

You are correct about the lack of traffic patrols however. Round here, you will rarely see West Mercia's finest and the locals know it....there's a major arterial road I use frequently, and in the last 6 years, I've seen two ANPR checkpoints....and no sign of the police other than then.

I was following a BMW two weeks ago....his brakes worked....a lot !....and the credible impression of a sine wave as he drifted over the double white lines and then towards the verge for the 10 miles I was behind him suggested he was far from sober.

He's but one of many you encounter on an almost daily basis.

I'm hardly a fan of authority and those who seek to impose their authority, but I am a supporter of not drinking and driving.
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