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Old 27th Nov 2014, 20:02
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 20:28
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my photo doesn't show a pilot in the cockpit.
Neither did the first, as one cannot see the cockpit in that photo.

So I fail to see what you are talking about either, except one is in the air yours is sitting on the ground.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 20:44
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I fail to see what you are talking about either, except one is in the air yours is sitting on the ground.
Question:-
How would you get a close-up photograph of an aircraft 'flying?

Answer:-
During A2A refuelling.

Notice the 'door' on the nose (which is closed on the ground shot).
On the A2A shot the door is 'open' and the probe is 'in the hole'.

Watch the video to see what happens.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 21:00
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Interesting that it looks like they have partial flap during refuelling.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 21:47
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The problem with A-10 refueling is that at its maximum speed it is barely able to hang on the boom at the tanker's minimum speed. Often the tanker must "toboggan", that is, refuel in a descent so the A-10 can keep up by use of gravity assist, and/or lower some flaps to enter the A-10s envelope.

That has nothing to do with the A-10's magnificence in CAS or low altitude attack roles. We need a few hundred more of them in today's world.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 22:03
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I never cease to be amazed at how the USAF brass continue to deny the usefulness of an aircraft that has continually demonstrated how extremely useful it is.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 22:07
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Has the A-10 been used to win any wars yet?
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 22:20
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Just think John, the A-10 in the pic is more powerful than the entire ground attack force NZ has to offer. Why not get rid of your army as well?

Bet you supported Helen didn't you?
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 22:24
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I guess that would be a 'NO' from you then eh?
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 22:29
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Airplanes don't win wars. Peoplle do.

Did you support Helen as she demolished the NZ AF?
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:01
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Has the A-10 been used to win any wars yet?
Winning wars, is a multi pronged approach, not usually a result of a single weapons system. Though Nukes would come close.

Wasn't the A10 one of the systems that help win the war in Iraqi. And in doing so pulled of the shackles of fear and repression for 2/3 of the population, and enabled them to have democracy. From which then the current president destroyed by supporting terrorists in Syria
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:08
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History lesson for Jong Hill: the A-10 helped win the most important war of the late 20th century. You don't always have to fire a weapon system to make the other guy think twice.

The current war, the one against the bearded fanatics instead of the red-star variety, is going to be a long and difficult one, too. The A-10 is back on station, serving well as always. You're welcome.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:13
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Time to crank up the volume on the AC/DC track Highway to Hell
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:15
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Judging by the dents in the nose of the A 10 in MJs Photo I guess it's the one they use to train the boom jockeys on before they let them loose on the more delicate toys.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:25
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Has the A-10 been used to win any wars yet?
Yes, several times.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:26
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The shot of the A-10 refueling shows the results of some ham-fisted boom operators banging on the nose trying to fly the boom into the receptacle.

Not a slight on the boomers, everyone needs to start somewhere and needs practice. It speaks volumes of how cavalierly we speak about the near-miracle of AAR.

BenT wrote about the tobogganing needed to have the A-10 stay up with the tanker in order to get gas. Related was controlling A-10 refuelings was one of the few receivers that required the tanker to make the turn to place itself in front of the receiver as the A-10 would lose too much speed if you tried to turn him onto the tankers. Instead, the tanker had to roll-out just above the A-10 and directly on-speed or else the Warthog was never gonna stay fast enough to begin the process which now turned into the toboggan.

A-10s winning wars? By itself no. But starring roles in:

Desert Storm - especially the Highway of Death, liberal news footage of which helped call that war off (before it was finished).

Allied Force - A-10s taking out Serbs in wooden-lined bunkers, on tractors, and around artillery pieces were a major factor in getting ol' Milosh to call it off.

Lots and lots of Allied troops came home thanks to the A-10, both in kinetic roles and by its mere presence to bad guys in Iraq and Afghanistan. Including Kiwis. Whom I respect much more than I do a certain moss-covered hobbit.

Is it a super-war-winning-all by itself platform? No, but that's not how the game is played.

Our resident military hardware expert wants to name a weapons system that, by itself, has won a war.

Fat Man and Little Boy certainly ended on conflict by themselves.
I wouldn't mind seeing their descendents used a couple more times to end various wanna-be caliphates.

Didn't a recent U.S. President win the Nobel Peace Prize?

Just thought I'd mention that ironic fact in a thread about a potent warplane being sent into harm's way by that same President.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:34
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Not called the tankbuster for nothing.

From the interweb:-
During the first Gulf War, the A-10s destroyed more than half of the 1,700 Iraqi tanks knocked out by air strikes. A-10s also took out about 300 armored personnel carriers and artillery sites.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:58
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When the A-10 appeared in the late 70's, it changed the calculus of the envisioned tank battle for Western Europe in the West's favor.

Later, the A-10 proved itself a key component of the victory in Gulf War 1.

It was a key factor in the Kosovo War, taking out enemy ground forces, convoys, and infrastructure, and helping to show that under the right circumstances, wars could indeed be won from the air.

In Gulf War II and Afghanistan, the A-10 (along with the B-52) again was a key component in the routing of Iraqi and Taliban forces and their capitulation. The enemy couldn't stand up to it for a sustained campaign.

The A-10 remains unsurpassed, even unique, for its mission. That USAF never really embraced it is a poor reflection on USAF, not the A-10, which in my opinion is the best bang for the buck we ever got out of a weapon system.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 00:30
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For me, the most interesting thing about the A10 is the USAF hierarchy's almost absolute resistance to its acceptance, and after it was forced on to them, their equally unremitting campaign to have it scrapped or consigned to National Guard or Reserve units.

John Boyd's excellent biography gives a really disturbing view of what went on - and, it would appear, continues to go on to this day.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 00:40
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Exactly Andu - bloody good book that.
The A-10 - Stuka of the jet age.
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