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Old 25th Nov 2014, 04:12
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Until You Don't Like the Verdict

Brown's mother Lesley McSpadden had to be held up by relatives as she stood on a car outside the Ferguson police station listening to the decision not to indict her son.
She put her face in her hands and sobbed violently.
Seconds before she had said: 'This is wrong!
'Everybody want me to be calm but you know how them bullets hit my son.
'Ain't nobody had to live through what I had to live through.
'Why? They (pointing at the police) ain't never gonna care.'


Brown's step father Louis Head jumped up and down as he erupted in rage and said: 'Burn this b**** down! Burn this b**** down!'
Minutes earlier as Miss McSpadden listened to the decision being read out she shouted: 'What was he (Wilson) defending himself from?
'Some of you motherfu**ers think this is a joke!'


Officially, the family released a statement saying their were 'disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequence of his actions'.


Protesters started throwing rocks and bottles at police officers, damaging cars, starting fires and looting local businesses.
Some rioters were even seen looting a liquor store.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 04:37
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damaging cars, starting fires and looting local businesses.
Some rioters were even seen looting a liquor store.
Any excuse will do to start robbing stuff.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 04:57
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Scheiße, like this is a surprise to anyone?

MD, as his usually quite astute self, hit the nail on the head. It was going to be ugly no matter what happened.

You know what? Even though it's a crappy situation, life goes on. There were "protests" around the US scheduled well in advance of this.

There are underlying reasons for this that are hard to deal with and I'm not sure they will ever be reconciled anytime soon.
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At the risk of offending some here, the current events in Ferguson would seem to be a clear indication that you can take the African out of Africa, but even after more than a hundred years, it's far harder to take Africa out of the African.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 06:38
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Verdict hardly a surprise given the racial makeup of the grand Jury. ie 75% white, 75% male. Oh, a 75% majority needed for a verdict.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 06:59
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ExXB do you have some inside information about how the Grand Jury's votes went down?

Didn't think so.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 07:34
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A society that lost the plot a long time ago
That supposes that they had a plot to start with.
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I feel that some Americans will always have an attitude problem until they can lose the idea that they are "African American", "Hispanic American", e.t.c and just regard themselves as being "American".
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Well there had to be a riot,the worlds press was there in full expectation of it and they cant disappoint the news media can they.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 08:53
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Where in the world did the African American originate? Why not an American African? We never hear of Australian American, British American, French American etc etc Agreed P6, you are but of one nationality.
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I feel that some Americans will always have an attitude problem until they can lose the idea that they are "African American", "Hispanic American", e.t.c and just regard themselves as being "American".
We have the same problem in South Africa. A large section of the black community regard themselves as 'previously disadvantaged' (by the previous regime) and are determined to play the martyr for ever and for generations. In doing so they have painted themselves into a corner in which they are doomed to remain until they change the attitude. They will continue to play the race card, the last resort of the loser.

No black person who was born in ZA after about 1992 can claim to have suffered any disadvantage at the hands of the Nationalist government, in fact the reverse applies.

It is also worthy of note that one of the most prosperous, educated, and successful elements of society in South Africa is the Indian community, once subject to much the same restrictions and prejudices as blacks. You don't hear them bleating about 'previously disadvantaged' and 'racism', or setting light to cars and throwing rocks at police cars, they just get on with educating and improving themselves to make a better life for each successive generation.
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12 shots fired. 6 hit the target. The killing shot went through the top of the head, out through the chin and lodged in the chest. FIRED WHEN THE GUY WAS ALREADY DOWN.

Whether or not you can excuse this by citing adrenalin over self-control, would you be happy to see him given back his gun and let loose on the streets again?
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 09:09
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We never hear of Australian American, British American, French American etc etc
Or English American, Scottish American, Welsh American. But you do hear Irish American. Another "victim" group, perhaps?
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How about White South African?

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That refers to the previously privileged, who under the old regime were in sheltered employment in government departments, and who under the new regime are disadvantaged.
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12 shots fired. 6 hit the target. The killing shot went through the top of the head, out through the chin and lodged in the chest. FIRED WHEN THE GUY WAS ALREADY DOWN.
I guess thats your interpretation, I don't know, without going though all the evidence. You could take the stand that he was being charged head down I suppose?

Whether or not you can excuse this by citing adrenalin over self-control, would you be happy to see him given back his gun and let loose on the streets again?
Don't know, thats what a standards type of committee etc has to decide, not an armchair expert such as my self.

This case is like so many others, politized with none actually wanting true justice, only what they see as justice. A classic example is how the case was presented to the grand jury.
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ExXB do you have some inside information about how the Grand Jury's votes went down?
Doesn't take a rocket scientist ... It only took 4 votes to prevent a verdict.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 11:24
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Had you bothered to either watch/listen to, or read the verdict, when delivered, you might have noticed that most of the evidence offered against the policeman was contradictory, both one witness versus another witness and also one witness against their own previous statements.

If, has been suggested, the shot person was leaning into the car and trying to grab the policeman's pistol then the wounds, as described, would be typical.

The media continually talk about the black teenager who was shot, no mention that he was also a black teenage criminal? Strange, yes?
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 11:31
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Brown's mother Lesley McSpadden had to be held up by relatives as she stood on a car outside the Ferguson police station listening to the decision not to indict her son
It doesn't help when the media apparently get the story wrong. I am assuming the OP posted a direct quote from a newspaper? It is my understanding that it was the officer not Brown that they decided not to indict. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 11:33
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Brown's mother Lesley McSpadden had to be held up by relatives as she stood on a car outside the Ferguson police station listening to the decision
Strange, because that's precisely what her son did to a local store before he was shot by the police.
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