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Old 1st Dec 2014, 20:59
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brickhistory - even if it is merely a philosophical matter why do you believe in and defend a Constitution which you say is voided by a failed revolution?
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 22:35
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So Community Organizer in Chief says "we have to find out what the problem is" when talking about Ferguson. Wow, just wow, he doesn't know?
 
Old 1st Dec 2014, 23:16
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I guess the big lug never read Moynihan:

"The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States."

That from a good liberal Democrat, way back in 1965.

The real racists are the ones who consigned blacks to the terrible bigotry of low expectations, put dependency-inducing programs in place to guarantee a reliable voter base, and decided to double down on stupid when things started turning sour.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 00:07
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Pat Moynihan was an honest Liberal and was very much a well respected Man as a result....quite unlike the current crop of Left Winged Loons in DC.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 01:18
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I think Pat Moynihan and JFK would be too far right for the Democrat party today.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 01:29
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I think Pat Moynihan and JFK would be too far right for the Democrat party today.
Its called moral bracket creep. Or moving the mean. The same can be said for different cultures. For example what is a statistical moderate Muslim when only compared with their own belief, and how does that moderate compare in other cultures.

There is a continued struggle to redefine the mean of society, sometimes for the good, others for the bad. Its something the conservatives have been loosing for years.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 01:29
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Perhaps too far right for the RINO's in the Republican Party too!
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 04:04
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With regards to the slavery argument that has been aired as some sort of partial explaination in this case, I had it very well summed up by a black American who I worked with several years ago in Nigeria.
We were working offshore Escravos which some will know was the main collection point and shipping center for the Portugese slavers.
We were on the oil rig one evening gazing over the rail at the not too distant shoreline and he happened to mention the history of Escravos when he said " I know slavery was a terrible thing but I'm glad my folks didn't miss the boat".
As for John Hills snide remark we have an expression here which just about covers it "What can you expect from a pig but a grunt".
West Lakes is spot on by the way.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 04:20
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Thank you for those kind words Solar.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 05:12
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chucks, whatever you do, don't lump us from 'the West Island' in with Mr Hill in any way, shape or form. I'd be guessing there wouldn't be too many of his countrymen on the North or South Islands who'd want to be either.

He's what we West Islanders call 'a well-balanced individual' - with a Kauri log (a bit like your Redwood) in place of a chip on each shoulder.
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Ha ha, seems my fan club is gathering...
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 05:46
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Your welcome John.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 06:17
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Ha ha, seems my fan club is gathering...
There must be a phone box nearby where they can hold their conventions.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 07:47
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I would not be at all surprised, they are after all a very tight knit little group.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 08:20
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John Hill, Know its to much to ask for you to change the nature of your posts, but it would be very good if you could change your location to something not identifiable, such as many other posters do.
 
Old 2nd Dec 2014, 08:25
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I am sorry you feel that way prospector but if I asked you probably could not say exactly what it is that gives you a problem.
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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 08:42
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In this thread you have made many statements that go against all the evidence presented to the Grand Jury, you must have seen the video of this massive teenager assaulting the storekeeper and stealing from the store, the policeman was just doing his job when he was also assaulted. I would think many of the white apologists in this thread and elsewhere would be among the first to call the police for help if this young thug had of behaved in the way that has been descibed by many witnesses.

You must have heard many times on our news services about this unarmed black teenager being shot by the white policeman.

Why has it not been reported anywhere the size and age of this teenager and his behaviour at the time the policeman had to do his job and in the end protect himself.

Surely the news, if it was reported factually, would have stated that an unarmed teenager was shot by a policeman, and the reason he was shot by the policeman.

To stir up this racial antagonism with the bare facts of "
An unarmed black teenager shot by a white policeman" without any background facts is just journalistic shit stirring.
 
Old 2nd Dec 2014, 09:48
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To stir up this racial antagonism with the bare facts of "An unarmed black teenager shot by a white policeman" without any background facts is just journalistic shit stirring.
True enough.

An interesting take which agrees with the above: Cops Shooting Black Kids Isn't A WWE Event - Ruthless Reviews
I have not closely examined the most recent shootings of unarmed black youths by police. I do not know who is guilty of what or if anyone is secretly in The Klan. But seeing these things through the eyes of a gambler, I know that one event rarely tells you much about a broader reality, no matter how much we flap our gums about it.

Thatís yet another reason why the news media are worse than useless. They take one case and turn it into a polarizing drama, like a sporting event. All of our concerns, political leanings and personal perspectives are distilled down to a rooting interest. The outcome of a trial will leave one side vindicated and the other side alienated and both sides will be angrier than they were before. The big picture and the real issues will slide off the table. Itís the same thing the media do to our political process as a whole.
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Racial stereotyping ....

Yes, we pay too much attention to particular members of a large group sometimes, focusing on a few village idiots rather than on a village as a whole. The Brown family ... stereotypical perhaps, real attention-getters each in his or her quiet way, but it is correct to see them as representative of their race? Perhaps not ....

Then there is this doughty and persistent poster from the Antipodes, the lonely admirer of Kim Jong Un who never passes up a chance to nip at Uncle Sam's ankles. Is he a typical Australasian, as he claims to be? Even other Australasians seem to want to shun him, so that I guess I had better treat him as sui generis rather than as typical of his race; I would not want to upset the Mudmen by putting a numpty in their ranks, lest a fire-hardened spear come my way.

We also have the gun-fondlers, whom many of us like to see as typical Yanks, "Septics." Well, even though statistically there's about one gun for every man, woman and child in the States, many of us really are liberals who sit down to pee. We would not want to be seen dead with a gun. No, wait ....

Well, anyway I think you know what I am trying to say here; some Yanks hog all the guns (looking at you here, Brick), leaving the rest of us without any. Try to rob me, you may get a big dictionary upside your head!

So, in conclusion, I shall try in future to treat each of you as an individual: no more stereotyping. I apologize to any Australasians who may feel that they have been wronged by being grouped with one outlier from their general population, particularly to the Mudmen.

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Old 2nd Dec 2014, 11:56
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Interesting post chuks.

Re guns

My limited experience may not be typical but it is consistent with what you say.
During the past 35 years I've been fortunate to stay in more than 15 different homes in various states across America and only two had any form of gun. One friend is an enthusiastic hunter ('game shooting' in the UK) and the other was, at the time, Deputy Chief of Police in San Diego. (Edit: He continued to have a gun at home after retiring.)
I suppose it's possible that the others were lying to me but I can think of no reason why they would and, knowing them well, I am sure they were not.

It would be very easy to gain what I believe to be a false impression if one regarded some of the active American posters in Jetblast as typical of Americans.
(And not only on the topic of guns. )

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