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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 23:48
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Not enough guns

Clearly the solution to children being murdered by policemen in playgrounds in the USA is:

- give every child a real gun

- teach them how to use it

- teach then to shoot anyone wearing a police uniform on sight, as a reasonable and proportionate proactive defensive measure.
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 23:51
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Pure Darwin at work. Stupid kid pulls out a toy gun at a cop in a dimly lit surroundings. Gets shot. Well done officer!

Nothing to see here, move along.
 
Old 23rd Nov 2014, 23:54
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pulls out a toy gun
Not the version we were told, we were told it was in his belt.

Oh, and I wonder what colour the child was? (I heard the story on the radio rather than the TV, colour wasn't mentioned.)
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 23:56
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If getting shot is the punishment in the USA for stupidity - as it should be, of course, don't think I'm against it, please - how do the USA's Police forces find recruits who haven't been plugged already?

And how come there are still some people alive in Louisiana?
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Yes, goes for the toy gun in his belt. The color of the kid was stupid.
 
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Pure Darwin at work. Stupid kid pulls out a toy gun at a cop in a dimly lit surroundings. Gets shot. Well done officer!

Nothing to see here, move along.

No idea what the story is but if what is being implied is even remotely true the officer in question will probably never have an undisturbed nights sleep for the rest of his life.............
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From NBC News

Police said the officers were responding to a report of a person waving a gun around at a playground at the Cudell Recreation Center at around 3:30 p.m. Saturday. The boy was shot after he allegedly refused to put his hands up and reached in his waistband for what appeared to be a handgun, police said.

The handgun turned out to be an "airsoft" replica toy gun, which shoots pellets in a similar way that a BB gun does. Cleveland police said in a statement that an orange marking designed to make the toys distinguishable from real firearms had been removed*.





* Major stupid...
 
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Cleveland police said in a statement that an orange marking designed to make the toys distinguishable from real firearms had been removed*.



* Major stupid...

Imagine that, a society where a kids plastic toy gun has to have a high vis marker on it to ensure they are not shot dead by the police............


No idea of the 'facts' in this story but if the excuse is as Douchan suggests perhaps its time in the US to do a bit of inward contemplation........
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Looks like yours, in UK, also have an orange tip, which is surprising since knowing there are no real, legal, handguns in UK, one would know this is a replica AirSoft



UK Arms G25 1911 FPS-240 Spring Airsoft Pistol
 
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So that tiny little bit of orange is why the kid got shot dead.............


From your pic the 'gun' in question looks no more threatening that a Nerf so perhaps they are the next thing to be treated with caution......
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Stupid kids remove the orange tip to make the gun look more macho - it worked.

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Stupid kids remove the orange tip to make the gun look more macho - it worked.

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Absolutely...........
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In your living room with your grandson, no big deal.

As a cop, you get a call "person weaving gun in Cudell park", you get there, see the suspect, at 50 feet, order "hands up" he refuses, reaches for the belt and this thing, sanas orange tip, you'd be remiss not to go three taps center of mass. Because an alternate scenario is you on a slab and the kid in juvie hall.
 
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No idea of the 'facts' in this story but if the excuse is as Douchan suggests perhaps its time in the US to do a bit of inward contemplation........
Rather too late for that.

My childhood, many decades ago in the USA, was probably nearly unique. I was forbidden to have "toy" guns... being taught that to point a gun (even a toy gun) at someone meant that you intended to shoot them. My pacifist upbringing likely hampered me for life. I _did_ shoot a 0.22 rifle (under supervision) on the VERY short range in our basement.

My active-duty time in the USAF was as an electronic engineer in a lab developing air defense systems. Perhaps that was by chance, since I didn't indicate any preference for defensive systems.

My boss was one of "our" Germans in the first batch brought to the USA. He had found himself as a tank radio operator on the Russian front. He probably survived the war because highly-educated persons were called back to the German labs ... His final German project was communication between Germany and Japan by moon reflection. He said it would have been a practical failure since the Germans didn't have reliable high-power transmitters at the microwave frequency chosen.
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Originally Posted by Dushan View Post
In your living room with your grandson, no big deal.

As a cop, you get a call "person weaving gun in Cudell park", you get there, see the suspect, at 50 feet, order "hands up" he refuses, reaches for the belt and this thing, sanas orange tip, you'd be remiss not to go three taps center of mass. Because an alternate scenario is you on a slab and the kid in juvie hall.
Absolutely, now ponder the 'how's' and 'whys' of that situation. The cop in question has just slotted a kid with a plastic toy because........he thought it might be real.........

Cops scared of 'kids' who might have real guns so therefore shoot first, not a great situation is it.......
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"Not enough guns"? Glad I'm getting another tomorrow.

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Old 24th Nov 2014, 01:52
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Clearly the solution to children being murdered by policemen in playgrounds in the USA is:
So are there any cases of policemen convicted of murdering children in playgrounds in the US. I'm not aware of any.

And could someone post a link to this story so I can study the angles?
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These links should lead you to it -

Saturday morning homicide in Cleveland brings 12-hour death toll to 7

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/us...e-officer.html
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Old 24th Nov 2014, 02:04
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What I find amusing is that people are calling the cops because kids are playing with toy guns. Come on, when I was a kid NOT having a toy gun was grounds for being called a "wuss" or whatever the term was. We got home, played war of cowboys and Indians with our toy guns until dark. What's with kids and coos nowadays? The cop was way over the top, the kid should have learned that guns don't get pointed at cops by the patents, the onlookers who called the cops should have shut their piehole.

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Bronx,

Nothing about cops convicted for murdering kids that I saw.

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