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Old 6th Nov 2014, 13:12
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What laws would someone be breaking ?

Currently ISIL are holding and trafficking in captured persons in Syria and Iraq for anything between $50 - $250 per person.

Now the interesting question.

US law and others prevents the paying of ransoms for the release of people held by Terrorists.

US Law also clear on holding of US counterfeit dollars

However imagine if someone held Counterfeit US $ that they had found.

If they used said counterfeit Dollars to pay for the release of hostages to ISIL what law could they be charged with.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 13:29
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ha ha ha
so, you'll buy yourself a couple slaves with contraband funds and then free them, and want to know what laws you'd be breaking?

I bet you'd be breaking a lot of laws, I wonder, however, if any court would find you guilty without bringing down a massive rash of bad press.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 14:37
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racedo, what will it cost you to get in, get to the rendezvous, make the exchange, and get out ... with your skin intact.

Add that to the expected cost of the entire mission, including "price" to free hostage. If you aren't careful, you end up the hostage for more money since you have shown that you can get your hands on it.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 15:48
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Just do it via Turkey as they come and go there all the time...

Last edited by racedo; 6th Nov 2014 at 15:49. Reason: Lone - This is theoretical Q, got no US$ good or bad at monent
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It would be fraud.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 16:56
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It would definitely be fraught with danger, whatever the legality (or not). Excuse me, I'm in "that sort of mood" this evening...
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I don't think anyone would notice - or care. When I lived in the Middle East, a banker friend told me that the banking world accepted that as many as 30% of USD $100 bills in circulation in the region were counterfeit.

Much the same as everyone in the area "knew" that the Qataris were financing Al Qaida, (in those days, the Islamic State was unknown), it was accepted that these counterfeit bills, most of such quality that they could only have been printed on machines and paper/cotton available only to nation states, were printed by the Iranians or North Korea and the Americans just had to cop it sweet for want of a better phrase.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 21:17
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It would be fraud.
yeah but its kind of like kicking a Leeds United football fan, its probably illegal but nobody cares.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 23:49
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Originally Posted by Andu
... these counterfeit bills, most of such quality that they could only have been printed on machines and paper/cotton available only to nation states, were printed by the Iranians or North Korea and the Americans just had to cop it sweet for want of a better phrase.......
A curious thing about those 'super notes' was that only America seemed able to detect the forgeries, perhaps because they printed them themselves?
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 00:26
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Andu, you should have known better than to accuse rogue regimes of doing something nefarious against US. Then again, you got JH out from under the bridge.
 
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Yes, I was very tempted to finish my last post with "...standing by to be told by the usual suspects that I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about".

My banker friend said it was a case of one where fixing the problem would cause more problems than accepting the situation as it was. The tipping point would probably be if whoever it is running the rouge printing presses printed more bogus notes than the US Treasury felt they could stand.

I must say in closing that I'm no banker - I'm just repeating what a very senior banker in the Middle East told me.

Some may be familiar with a quite famous case of counterfeiting in the US back in the 1920s-30s (they made a movie about the guy starring Burt Lancaster). The counterfeiter was putting out such small amounts of bogus notes, (just enough to support himself in what amounted to a very frugal lifestyle), that the US Secret Service said it cost them immeasurably more to catch him than he was costing the nation with is bogus notes. Maybe the Americans see an admission that so much of their currency is bogus as causing more problems in loss of confidence in the Greenback than it costs them to weather the losses associated with the fake notes.
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Twenty dollar notes were known in Afghanistan during the 90's as 'Iranian dollars'.

Although North Korea is reputed to be the source of fake 100 dollar bills their official money changers (hotels etc) accepted 100 dollar bills without hesitation but took great care with smaller denominations even checking serial numbers against a list they had.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 06:45
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rouge printing presses
Do they have one in jaune, or perhaps vert?
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Is Cambodia a suspect?
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Buying Freedom not slaves
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