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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 21:56
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Y'all have a problem

Please fix it prior to further cross-pond pontification:

Army Cadet Attacked With Makeshift Blowtorch While Selling Poppies
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 22:06
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and another one...

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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 22:06
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So on one hand there is a case where one youngster suffered minor burns following an attack in the UK and on the other hand there are an estimated 10,000 youngsters killed or injured by guns in the USA.

Thanks for allowing the subject to be brought up again.
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 22:24
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Meanwhile, in the last 24 hours in the USA.....

Washington School Shooting Fourth Student Dies
1 person dead in Colorado Springs shooting
One injured in shooting outside Anchorage hotel
One killed following double shooting early Sunday
Three wounded in shooting at Maplewood apartment
Saginaw police respond to shooting
One man was injured in an early morning shooting in Northeast Washington
Shooting at a barber shop in the Leimert Park
Homicide detectives investigating Dogtown shooting


.... and that's only the first 5 pages of Google news from the last 24 hours !

No school shootings yet, but hey ... its Sunday and a fresh month has only just started ! The October shooting month ended with a score of 5 deaths and 2 injuries.

I reckon the USA is still the one with the problems.
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 00:46
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Spin it how you want, but what most of the world fails to realize is that the places in the us where people do most of the killing are not functionally part of the first world.

We pay people enough that they won't work for fear of losing their benefits, make disability a career choice, and remove any stigma from living on the dole.
We further have in place a political system that somehow regards having more than 1/3 of the work-eligible population not working as an ok thing.

I've been to Somalia, and parts of Minneapolis aren't a heck of a lot different except for the snow.

The fact that we keep as much of a lid on our antisocial element as we do is a testament to the remaining g good people.
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So in other words, you are telling us that parts of your great country are essentially third world shlt holes and those places are where all the murders take place? So in your WASP, walled, secure neighbourhood who are you defending yourself against?

You lot hold your Constitutional Rights as 'inviolable', but ignore the fact that there are many groups of people who can NOT legally own a firearm. Why aren't you fighting for THEIR constitutional rights? Surely the Government banning guns from people is an indication they've gone 'rogue'? Call in the Michigan Militia!

I don't see many Americans quoting the Declaration of Independence much these days. I think it needs an amendment..."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal unless you are Black, Muslim, Hispanic, poor, etc'

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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 01:26
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It says "created equal", not "are equal".

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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 04:40
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The chief of police in Detroit is on record as encouraging people who are elegible to arm themselves for the protection of themselves and the community at large.

Despite the mess that people in that end of the state have created, some are trying hard to fix things.

He's a strongly pro-union Democrat.

Oh, and he's black,
not that it makes any difference to any of us who live here.

Just wanted to poke another hole in the 'Michigan Militia' stereotype you all are promulgating
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 05:21
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You really should try to arm everyone!

That policy seems to be working like an absolute treat for you!! Like I said, if guns protect you and make you safe, then America must be the safest goddamn' country on the planet!!!

Even when you do have (11,000) homicides, it's obviously the victims fault they gel shot. If they had been packing heat like any good patriot should things would have been different!!

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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 05:57
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I was in Sydney city on Saturday night and on the very crowed train, found myself standing beside a 20-something man who was wearing a Returned from Active Service badge on his coat lapel. My first reaction was that it had not occurred to me there must be quite literally thousands of young blokes of a similar age eligible to wear that badge - (which in my addled mind, has been something you only see old farts of my age and older wearing).

But then a second, not so warm and fuzzy feeling hit me - in fact, a distressing and highly unpalatable thought. The young bloke was announcing to everyone who knew what to look for that he is a serving (or recently ex-)serviceman, making himself a prime target for his "fellow citizens" who have been instructed by people they see as their spiritual leaders to kill any fellow citizen they choose to, but in particular, fellow citizens such as him.

How sad a comment, I thought, on what our society has become for that thought to come to my mind.Thanks entirely to the social engineering that has been foisted upon us by the political leadership of both sides, who think they know what's best for us - social engineering that has been proven conclusively not to work in the nations of Western Europe - this has become an accepted fact of life.

How long before ex-servicemen are instructed not to wear the RAS badge "lest it offend some in our society"? The government has already spent $600,000 on an investigation that found that the way we celebrate ANZAC Day (a sort of an Australian equivalent to Veterans' Day for American readers) does indeed offend some "Australians" belonging to the religion of peace and so should be "toned down" so as to lessen that perceived offence.
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 06:11
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"making himself a prime target for his "fellow citizens" who have been instructed by people they see as their spiritual leaders to kill any fellow citizen they choose to, but in particular, fellow citizens such as him.


That's about as unsubtle as it gets as to whom you are referring to.

However, I take it you weren't n the UK when the PIRA were active and whom I effect scored a propaganda victory which was long lasting in that military personnel were prohibited from wearing uniform in public for a very long time.
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 06:59
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WOW - a whole 2 posts before a thread is hijacked by gun control wankers who think they should run the world.
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Back on track....

"Understandably both he and his family are in a state of total shock and cannot believe someone would do this."
I can believe it. There was another incident a few days before, and there will be more.
Unless we learn to be more ruthless and intolerant of their beliefs and actions they will get bolder.
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 07:29
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WOW - a whole 2 posts before a thread is hijacked by gun control wankers who think they should run the world.
Hijacked.......did you read the OP?
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 09:17
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WOW - a whole 2 posts before a thread is hijacked by gun control wankers who think they should run the world.
How can you honestly say that the thread was hijacked when the sole purpose of the opening post was to state that as there is crime in the UK then people shouldn't point fingers about problems in the USA?

If 421dog didn't want comparisons made between the two countries, why on earth post in the first place?
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 11:36
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I'm not trying to say that I have the answers.
I made the mistake of rising to the troll bait about guns, which didn't help the discussion to stay on track.


What I am saying is that a 15 y/o JROTC kid was attacked while he was engaged in an activity that just about any reasonable person would regard as laudable.

I worry for our collective future as members of Western Civilization when things like this happen, and I think that a response somewhat beyond "oh what a shame" is warranted.

I think we can all agree that the world would be the better for the universal villification of this action, and that we'd be better off applying ourselves to that end as opposed to beating each other up.
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Is the purpose of this tread to point out that America is a failed state because its citizens DON'T attack each other with improvised blow torches? Or am I missing something here?

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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 12:12
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I don't think anyone deserves to be treated in such a manner.

I'd like to know what is being done to bring the miscreant to justice and what plans exist to prevent it in the future.

We've got our own dirty laundry to wash, and I'm not at all certain that we're up to the task either.

I'm pretty sure that the answer doesn't involve us wasting time excoriating each other.
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 12:42
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I worry for our collective future as members of Western Civilization when things like this happen, and I think that a response somewhat beyond "oh what a shame" is warranted.

I'd like to know what is being done to bring the miscreant to justice and what plans exist to prevent it in the future.
So, in essence, you are saying that the USA is not a member of Western Civilisation because all you do when there are shootings is say "oh what a shame" and steadfastly refuse to do introduce de-minimis common-sense plans to prevent it happening in the future because your stupid second amendment is holier than god and nobody can touch the second amendment or introduce any legislation which may affect its interpretation.

The idiom "pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind, although in the case of the USA you are actually worse off by a country mile ! The USA's attitude to guns is quite frankly a joke.
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 12:58
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While all countries have problems in various ways I tend to think we should give the US a pass on its attitude to gun control. Personally I think it is crazy but its their country and unlike numerous other , fads , ideas, policies and fictions they do not endeavour to export that part of freedom and democracy US style to anyone else and so to the rest of us its pretty harmless unless we have to go there.

And I don't think I am wrong in thinking some of the most vehement defenders of the right to bear arms on this forum do not try and push the idea that the civilised world should follow suit.
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