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Old 17th Nov 2014, 12:14
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Aware now equals paranoid. Ole blighty must have done with something to you.
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 12:41
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Paranoia equals heightened awareness, yes.
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 12:45
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. . . and we should never have school fire drills, because they weren't needed until, well, they were. The UK has never been subject to nuclear attack but we had drills in school, there were "public information films" on TV advising what to do in the event of such an attack. "Alert but not alarmed" is the phrase one eminently sensible poster used above.

Are you suggesting we here in the UK need to introduce these sort of measures into our schools?
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 14:00
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So upon reflection, I have decided that it is best that no one in your country can buy a pistol or a ‘semi-automatic’ rifle, because the death tolls by guns in your country with Chavs and gangbangers would make the US ‘stats’ pale in comparison.

So once more, before your Tag Team Trolls jump on the US, look in your own back garden first.

Now you are starting to get it, I knew you would get there in the end. I think your maths is a little flawed but your conclusion that guns in society leads to inevitable gun deaths is spot on


Now just imagine if you could make that logic work where you are, just how many lives would that save each year.............
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 14:22
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Are you suggesting we here in the UK need to introduce these sort of measures into our schools?
No; I'm saying we HAD these measures in school and in public. I don't recall a nuclear attack on the UK but we were taught how to react in the event of such. What's the problem with teaching awareness of how to respond to a gun attack?
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 14:29
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Originally Posted by MagnusP View Post
No; I'm saying we HAD these measures in school and in public. I don't recall a nuclear attack on the UK but we were taught how to react in the event of such. What's the problem with teaching awareness of how to respond to a gun attack?
Do we still teach kids how to react to a Nuckear Attack?
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 14:30
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MagnusP wrote:

I don't recall a nuclear attack on the UK but we were taught how to react in the event of such
Yup, I remember the drills well. More or less, hide under your desk, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 14:50
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Are you suggesting we here in the UK need to introduce these sort of measures into our schools?
I would certainly hope that you have at least fire drills
 
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Are you suggesting we here in the UK need to introduce these sort of measures into our schools?
I am. When if not now? Do you smugly say it will never happen again, a one off event?

If and when it happens, you'll agree with me, just not yet.
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Seldom, I answered your question. Please afford me the same courtesy.
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 15:01
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By that logic the zombie apocalypse drills are a sound use of resource.
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 15:07
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You watch too many movies PTT. I'll take that response as a tongue in cheek jab or possibly a quirky sense of humor falling short. It couldn't be taken any other way.
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 15:19
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Originally Posted by MagnusP View Post
No; I'm saying we HAD these measures in school and in public. I don't recall a nuclear attack on the UK but we were taught how to react in the event of such. What's the problem with teaching awareness of how to respond to a gun attack?
We HAD them when the threat of nuclear war was high.

The likelihood of a gun attack in a school is miniscule, in this country at least. I guess that's why. All you'll do is create paranoia amongst kids. Good idea?
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 15:24
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In all seriousness, you can't see a benefit? First to admit it's troubling to the little ones, but what's the greater evil? You've had a school attack before. London is a fav of terrorists, who's to say they won't try something such as attacking a school.

You practiced nuclear drills when the threat was high, problem is you'll never know when the threat is high for a whack job to act.
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Old 17th Nov 2014, 15:27
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We HAD them when the threat of nuclear war was high.

The likelihood of a gun attack in a school is miniscule, in this country at least. I guess that's why. All you'll do is create paranoia amongst kids. Good idea?

What about fire drills? Good idea?
 
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WC, There would be a benefit if the threat was real. It isn't.

We've had one school shooting, nearly twenty years ago. The chances of another one happening are slim.

Dushan, you tell me.
http://www.nfer.ac.uk/publications/LFW01/LFW01.pdf
It wouldn't let me copy but there are between 1400 and 1800 fires in schools, in the UK, each year.
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I remember the Air Raid siren test every Tuesday at 10:30 in Chicago in the 50s. Not sure when they stopped.
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We've had one school shooting, nearly twenty years ago. The chances of another one happening are slim.
What you mean to say is you hope the chances are slim. You have way of determining the probability of it being slim or otherwise.

If PPRuNe is around in 20 more, I honestly hope you can say I told you so.
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Originally Posted by Lord Spandex Masher View Post
WC, There would be a benefit if the threat was real. It isn't.

We've had one school shooting, nearly twenty years ago. The chances of another one happening are slim.

Dushan, you tell me.
http://www.nfer.ac.uk/publications/LFW01/LFW01.pdf
It wouldn't let me copy but there are between 1400 and 1800 fires in schools, in the UK, each year.
This was posted by Magnus:

Originally Posted by MagnusP View Post
. . . and we should never have school fire drills, because they weren't needed until, well, they were. The UK has never been subject to nuclear attack but we had drills in school, there were "public information films" on TV advising what to do in the event of such an attack. "Alert but not alarmed" is the phrase one eminently sensible poster used above.
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Are you suggesting we here in the UK need to introduce these sort of measures into our schools?
So I simply asked, since this exchange suggested there aren't any.

Good to know that you see, at least some, reason.

Edited to add: After looking at the linked document, I don't see a lot about fire drills (only one occurrence of word "drill"). The document seems to concentrate on installation of sprinkler systems and apparent significant resistance to it
 
Old 17th Nov 2014, 15:58
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Originally Posted by MagnusP View Post
Seldom, I answered your question. Please afford me the same courtesy.

If the question was

What's the problem with teaching awareness of how to respond to a gun attack?
Then the answer is quite simple, why on earth would we?
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