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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:14
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Want another observation? (Well a few actually)

- Some folk like guns and want the right to own them to be preserved.
- Some folk have no wish to own guns and could not care less if they do not have the right to own them
- Some folk elect not to own guns even if they have the right
- Some folk are peeved that the cannot own a gun if they want to.

So either side of the Atlantic, there are contenteds and discontenteds.

Neither side will change the views of the two camps either side of the ocean.

Euros who point out the number of gun deaths in the US and seek to take the moral high ground, are no more right nor wrong than Americos who scorn what they term the loss of freedom in Europe.

More than once, I have observed that you do as you please over there. We do as we please over here.

Why is the thread still going on?

Do not gun shooters have a range to go to? Do not non gun shooters have other pursuits to follow?

As everyone is entrenched in their point of view, what is the point?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:21
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As everyone is entrenched in their point of view, what is the point?
I can only speak for myself, but I see my right to self-defense and the defense of my home and family as constantly under attack. A firearm is the best means I can determine to resist the threats to the sanctity of my home.

I also believe the evidence supports my contention that in most American communities, the more law-abiding citizens arm themselves, the safer everyone will be.

The argument will probably never end, but I'll continue to hold up my end of it.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:24
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Originally Posted by wings folded View Post
Want another observation? (Well a few actually)

- Some folk like guns and want the right to own them to be preserved.
- Some folk have no wish to own guns and could not care less if they do not have the right to own them
- Some folk elect not to own guns even if they have the right
- Some folk are peeved that the cannot own a gun if they want to.

So either side of the Atlantic, there are contenteds and discontenteds.

Neither side will change the views of the two camps either side of the ocean.

Euros who point out the number of gun deaths in the US and seek to take the moral high ground, are no more right nor wrong than Americos who scorn what they term the loss of freedom in Europe.

More than once, I have observed that you do as you please over there. We do as we please over here.

Why is the thread still going on?

Do not gun shooters have a range to go to? Do not non gun shooters have other pursuits to follow?

As everyone is entrenched in their point of view, what is the point?
You forgot one category.

- Some folk have no wish to own guns and want the right to own them to be preserved.
 
Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:28
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More than once, I have observed that you do as you please over there. We do as we please over here.
No you don't. This category does not exist in your country. You do as the government pleases.

- Some folk like guns and want the right to own them to be preserved.
 
Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:31
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I can only speak for myself, but I see my right to self-defense and the defense of my home and family as constantly under attack.
Only by busy-body, irritating, ankle snapping, Europeans, it would seem. Who you can easily ignore, because they correctly have no say. Your 2nd Amendment rights do not appear to be under attack likely to succeed from within your country, where the ultimate choice obviously lies.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:35
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I have an assortment of weapons for one main reason. Which has absolutely nothing to do with defending my loved ones from an armed intruder, or any other intruder, armed or not. (In the area the Mrs. and I live in, crime is unknown. Fortunate for us, I know. In the area my kids live in with their unarmed mother and step-father, crime is scarce. Also most fortunate.)

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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:44
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No you don't. This category does not exist in your country. You do as the government pleases.
The government is elected. By a process which has its faults, but no more than the US system or many others.

The US government, on the other hand, chooses to seek extradition of citizens from European countries who have committed no crime on their own turf, but have transgressed what "pleases" the US government.

(Please enlighten me what is "my country" by the way)
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:55
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The US government, on the other hand, chooses to seek extradition of citizens from European countries who have committed no crime on their own turf, but have transgressed what "pleases" the US government.
We (US Government) only do so with the permission of the 'other' country.

Remember, I used to do this.

As for "what pleases" the US Government, many, if not most times, are those that commit major felonies, such as murder, massive monetary embezzlement, drug cartel leaders, etc.

The only ones the general public hears about, via the media, are those that are of interest due to their notoriety. Such as Roman Polanski, the child rapist.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:58
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Or selling batteries to a company in a country in current disfavour in Washington?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 20:02
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I had to change my primary care doctor, due to Obamacare, and on a form I had to fill out with my new doctor, I was asked if I had any guns in my home. I didn't answer the question.

Interesting, We generally regard going to the same doctor if possible a good thing as they know your history.

I'm not quite sure I understand what one has to do with the other.
Could be a couple of things. 1) Insurance risk policy costs to someone, or
2) A back door way to guage firearm ownership.

If you answer no then you either don't have one, or are a liar and leave your self open to consequences in the case of a accident. If you answer yes, no problem. If you don't answer it, they take it as some kind of admission that you do.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 20:09
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Or selling batteries to a company in a country in current disfavour in Washington?
Have not heard about that one. When did this occur and what happened?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 20:11
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We generally regard going to the same doctor if possible a good thing as they know your history.
Rapidly disappearing concept in the US health care system. Government is requiring electronic medical records, which don't actually work, and which bury the relevant information under a sea of politically correct horseapples.

So now the doc has to ask that same gun question every time you come in, because he needs it to be checked in order to get paid, and he can't find where it was filled in before.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 20:38
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Have not heard about that one. When did this occur and what happened?
It's late here, con, so forgive the absence of a full response, but look up Christopher Tappin. He may have been as guilty as hell of flogging his batteries (weapon components) to a sanctioned country, (I have no idea).

Seems to me however that US law looks to extend its power beyong its frontiers for what strikes me as trivial reasons.

Just a reminder. I answered Dushan who said we do as our "government pleases"

No, it is worse. We seem to do as the US government pleases. Sometimes.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 21:11
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Will do Wings, when I get more time I'll check into Christopher Tappin.

Thank you.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 21:44
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Wings, that is my point. Not only do you do as your government pleases, but also what some other government pleases.

Seems like a bunch of "tyrannical governments" and nothing to defend yourself with, agains them. Tsk, Tsk.

Your country, I guess where "We do as we please over here", wherever the over here is. egsh?
 
Old 14th Nov 2014, 22:04
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Dushan - doing as you please costs your society 80,000 gunshot victims per year of which number about 30,000 die. Doing as we please costs us 200 and 50 respectively.You call that freedom?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 22:23
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You don't do as you please. You do as your government thinks is best for you. If you did as you please you would have no guns, but would have full freedom to own guns.

Magnus would have not lost his Python and Pardini, and you would still have 200 gun deaths. So punishing him achieved nothing.
 
Old 14th Nov 2014, 23:33
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It's true that "freedom" here to many means free to be a gangbanger, spend your life pursuing dope, "hos", and rap music as you strive to win "respect".

The fact that the death rate associated with such a lifestyle is very high, concerns me not one bit.

There is an alternative. Get an education.
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Old 15th Nov 2014, 00:08
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Seems to me however that US law looks to extend its power beyong its frontiers for what strikes me as trivial reasons.
I wasn't familar with the case till you mentioned it. Did this gent violate US laws or international trade sanctions?

To be clear, it's not simply the US that reaches beyond its borders. The UK govt has inferred it plans on blocking Argentina receiving replacement fighter aircraft from other countries if the jet has British content in it. The Brits likely will ask the US to do the same.
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Old 15th Nov 2014, 01:55
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"doing as you please costs your society 80,000 gunshot victims per year of which number about 30,000 die. Doing as we please costs us 200 and 50 respectively.You call that freedom? "

We are talking respective populations of 316million vs 5.3 million, right?
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