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Old 14th Nov 2014, 14:56
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Originally Posted by brickhistory View Post
We don't abide such.


Strictly speaking, according to the data you linked to the We you refer to could be as small as 30% ish of US folk.


Again quite clearly demonstrating that not all your fellow citizens need or want to abide as you do
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:09
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LW, your post would be half the size if you didn't engage in ad hominem.

WC's anecdote is a tiny sample from a very large population. So is yours. The fact that under reporting happens isn't in question. It definitely does happen.

What you can't prove is that it happens in significant enough numbers to significantly effect the poll. The trouble for you and Magnus is that there is NO data to support that position despite assertions to the contrary.

So, what say we take the poll at face value?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:30
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Oh I don't doubt that some might not report they have guns when they do, but you've missed my point: is that number significant enough to actually alter the overall stats? If you are asserting that they are "significantly under-reporting" then you have to show that they are. Burden of proof.
You guys obviously do not understand the mentality of a red-blooded American. Burden/shmurden. Nobody would go telling some fool on the phone whether they have guns or not, and how many. The minuscule number that do are the exeption, not the rule.
 
Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:37
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LSM, you go right on ahead and take poll at face value.

That is your right, but it doesn't mean it is right nor that you are.

As I have stated before, it is a BIG country. Poll results from one area might indeed be at huge variance with similar polls conducted elsewhere in this BIG country.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:53
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Y'all on the other side of the great watery divide can rest well assured that no governmental agency or pollsters are aware of my toys None. And it's not like I'm about to tell them either.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:55
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Originally Posted by Dushan View Post
You guys obviously do not understand the mentality of some red-blooded American. Burden/shmurden. Nobody would go telling some fool on the phone whether they have guns or not, and how many. The minuscule number that do are the exeption, not the rule.

Brick's link would seem to suggest that it's only some as opposed to most
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:57
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I'm a collector.

Nobody has ever asked how many firearms I own so I am not one of the statistics.

None of my gun owning friends from various States have ever been asked about their gun collections either.

The official number of firearms in the US is most certainly vastly under-reported since the data used to calculate the number sold varies from poor to non-existent and the numbers leave out many firearms sold prior to the attempt to count them. This, of course, leads to many and inaccurate guesses as to how many firearms actually exist but these are just that, guesses.

Not that it makes any significant difference in any area. Who the heck cares except a bunch of irrelevant whining UK mosquitoes?

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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:01
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BOING wrote:

Who the heck cares except a bunch of irrelevant whining UK mosquitoes?
Bwaaaa haaaaa haaaa.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:06
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There are a lot of States that do not require one to report or register any fire arm they own, I live in one of them.

When I happen to be asked in a poll if I own a fire arm (gun), I say no.

I had to change my primary care doctor, due to Obamacare, and on a form I had to fill out with my new doctor, I was asked if I had any guns in my home. I didn't answer the question.

By the way, the question about having a gun in one's home is not a state requirement, but a federal mandate under, you guessed it, Obamacare.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:25
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Well darn, Con, your new doctor is going to have to explain to the feds why he/she did not check the "bullet" in his electronic record about guns. Or else spend another part of your visit time querying you about it, when all you wanted was to stop that burning when you pee.

And if that happens often enough, the feds will cut back his payment.

Is it any wonder why docs are retiring in record numbers?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:27
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I was not aware of Obamacare and firearms reporting Now that it has been brought to my attention I'm not quite sure I understand what one has to do with the other.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:27
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Back to guns:

The percentage of Americans actually owning guns has little or nothing to do with support for the right to own guns.

This is something our nit-picking Euro friends are having trouble understanding.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:28
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Well darn, Con, your new doctor is going to have to explain to the feds why he/she did not check the "bullet" in his electronic record about guns. Or else spend another part of your visit time querying you about it, when all you wanted was to stop that burning when you pee.
Oh dear, I don't want her to get into trouble, that was not my intention.

So if asked the next time I go back, I'll just say/mark "no".
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:31
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Perhaps that is why so many US households do not have guns, the .gov is getting the statistics from Doctor's offices.

And you are correct that the number of guns in the country has absolutely nothing to do with the gun ownership rate but the dummies won't accept this.

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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:53
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She may want to know whether you have lethal toe nail clippers. Are you prepared to prevaricate over such a searching question?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:57
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She may want to know whether you have lethal toe nail clippers.
Naw, I think I'm okay, unless they ask about my chef's knives.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 17:48
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She wouldn't dare do that would she? I mean kitchen knives are sacred. Ask our Edinburgh correspondent. Or ask me.

Untouchable.

If faced with a complete moron law enforcer, knock up a swift eggs benedict for their gustative delight. They won't actually know that knives are not really needed for that dish.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 18:23
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lethal toe nail clippers

Ah, toe clippers ! Thanks for the reminder.

I've stayed out of this thread until now because frankly as that guy with the pencil moustache said, I don't give a damn.

If you live in the USA you accept the laws pertaining to firearms. It's a fact of life, that's that, much the same as if you live in France you don't have to use deoderant, or in Germany hairy female armpits are de rigeur, or in the UK you get four sorts of weather every 24 hours (at least four sorts - often more) or if you live in Spain you get excellent food and good wine at low prices and live to be 90 when you're gored to death by a wild bull/wild boar/wild husband.

If you live in the USA you have the right to bear arms, you have the right to get shot by some gun-crazy nut, and frankly, who cares ? It's a way of life, it's a balance, this good, this bad, it's part of society/culture.

OFSO - who has weapons in his house as allowed by the law and who would CERTAINLY have more powerful weapons if he lived in the USA, and less powerful if he lived in the UK. It's all part of being a member of the society you live in.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 18:26
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West Coast - anecdotal evidence does not make for significant under-reporting, which was the claim.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 18:27
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That is a wise observation, OFSO.

It is what it is.
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