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Old 7th Nov 2014, 04:45
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John has "inside" information on man v horse escapades.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 04:50
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Public information, the Wiki page is at Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But ask yourself if you really want to know this?

There is a, tenuous, aviation connection.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 06:19
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But ask yourself if you really want to know this?
Well since you asked, no, but like most cases it would have had a small (pardon the pun) profile except for all the trouble they had to go though to make such escapades illigel when they found out it wasn't.

Another example of the lefts crusades coming along and biting them in the @rse.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 07:25
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Oh dear, I must have completely forgotten about all the Royal Navy Carrier Taskforces and the Battalions of Royal Marines that invaded the Philippian Islands and the other Japanese held islands in the Pacific.

And those ultra-long range British bombers that bombed Japan from said captured islands.

Oh, and thank you very much for inventing the atomic bomb that ended the war in the Pacific.

Gosh, you are so obsessed about America's minimal contribution to WWII that you didn't take the time to read my post and realise I was talking about you lot being lucky non-US countries were there to hold your hand in your mindless crusades in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Without non-US countries in Afghanistan and Iraq, you would have been up a smelly creek without a paddle.

Let us not forget, George Dubbya declared "we don't do nation building" .... indeed, the Yanks come along, blow stuff up, piss off the locals and then leave it to the countries who are capable of doing diplomacy to try to tidy up the mess the US left behind.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 09:30
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I disagree with people who claim that the Russians 'won' WW2. Yes they shed the most blood from an Allied perspective, and took more blood than they shed, but they marched into Berlin wearing GP boots, or riding in Studebaker trucks, eating Spam and bread made from Idaho wheat. Add the strategic bombing campaign and the effect that the Western Front had on the ability of the Germans to resist the Eastern hoards makes it a 50% claim at best imo.

Cant say the rest of the 20th century or any of the 21st have really matched the US self image of the 'warrior culture' though. WW1 was essentially over before they fired a rifle (shades of Mussolini, but he picked a bad horse), Korea was a draw, Vietnam a disaster, GW1 was left half finished, GW2 was left as a great gift to the world Afghanistan was like pissing into the sea.

I suppose bombing the shlt out of the Balkans and a few little Central American expeditions counts as "NUMBER ONE!! WHOA YEAH!!!" in some parts of the world.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 11:48
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Cant say the rest of the 20th century or any of the 21st have really matched the US self image of the 'warrior culture' though. WW1 was essentially over before they fired a rifle (shades of Mussolini, but he picked a bad horse), Korea was a draw, Vietnam a disaster, GW1 was left half finished, GW2 was left as a great gift to the world Afghanistan was like pissing into the sea.
Which should in no way, shape or form have any bearing on the U.S. military which is more than capable of winning any unpleasantness on the battlefield. What IS different, between say the conflict in the 'Stan and WWII, for example, is the bloviating, ball-less politicians pulling the strings behind the scenes. Who also succeed in hamstringing the troops. That is the main problem: the will to fight.

I'll use, again, the 'Stan as an example. Back in late 2001/early 2002 US Special Forces, along with Northern Alliance forces had the Taliban on the run. Not too long after that, the Taliban was basically decimated and fleeing Afghanistan en masse. But (and here's where I blame Bush!) the political will to see it to the end wasn't there. The eye on the ball was dropped and the Taliban was basically allowed to reconstitute itself. This had nothing to do with our military but all to do with the aforementioned bloviators in DC.

If our military command structure was brought to bear, the kid gloves taken off, and the entire might of the U.S. military brought into the equation I firmly believe there is no force on God's blue earth which could go up against us successfully. But the political will isn't there, and political correctness rules the day.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 12:44
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When Americans talk about the rest of the world they demonstrate that they do indeed usually know Sweet Fanny Adams about Wherever.
Unlike those who, for example, don't even know who started the Korean War?

Just because people say things that you don't agree with (and that's about 100% of the time) that does not mean things are not that way. I realize that living in a small, backward (as in still espouses socialism), remote, island country facts are hard to come by, but do try ol' chap.
 
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rgbrock, as my dear ole dad used to say, "self praise is no recommendation boy." How do you reckon they'd fair against the Chinese in a conventional but serious stoush at the moment? Let's not even consider nukes, if nuclear capable countries start tossing those at each other, who cares who 'wins'?
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 13:10
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Which should in no way, shape or form have any bearing on the U.S. military which is more than capable of winning any unpleasantness on the battlefield. What IS different, between say the conflict in the 'Stan and WWII, for example, is the bloviating, ball-less politicians pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I would say a poor workman blames his tools ....

I suspect the reality is that Uncle Sam bit off more than he could chew when it comes to Afghanistan and Iraq and ....

But since Americans are brought up to believe the US Army can never be defeated and can never do any wrong, Capitol Hill gets blamed instead.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 13:12
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I suspect the reality is that Uncle Sam bit off more than he could chew when it comes to Afghanistan and Iraq....
Don't forget our faithful sidekicks that came along for the adventures. The blames gets spread around. Enjoy it as well.

And who was one of the major parties that actually drew arbitrary lines on a map to carve up the Middle East to begin with?

But nothing to look at there, move along...
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 13:16
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Don't forget our faithful sidekicks that came along for the adventures.
Your "sidekicks" were like a dog owner and a leash.

Had the "sidekicks" not come along, left to their own devises off the leash, the Americans would no doubt have made a much larger cock-up of the whole debacle.

The Americans also, much like a dog, have had a dump on the pavement and left it to their "sidekicks" to clean up the mess since you've declared you "don't do nation building" ....
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 15:24
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Don't forget our faithful sidekicks that came along for the adventures. The blames gets spread around. Enjoy it as well.
Interesting statement.

I actually agree with the above quote, but only so long as it is also true for spreading the glory. You seem happy enough to try to keep all the glory when things went well, though. "We couldn't have done it without you" works in both directions and for both types of result.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 15:43
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And who was one of the major parties that actually drew arbitrary lines on a map to carve up the Middle East to begin with?
Funny how the usual suspects always fail to address that issue.

"I say, let's draw a few lines here and there and call it a country."

"But I say, would not the local tribes be a bit put out?"

"Nonsence, we're British, they will do as they are told."

"Works for me old boy, now off for a gin and tonic."




By the way, my goal here is nearly complete.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 16:19
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Ah, so things that bought the UK time are necessary, but the US doesn't get afforded the same courtesy.

That's convenient.

Unless you lived in Czechoslovakia...
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 17:58
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The US gets plenty of time, years in some cases.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 18:35
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The US gets plenty of time, years in some cases.
Yes, rather clever of us, isn't.

Especially when it concerns other people's wars. Let you lot die for your country for a while before we die for your country. Like in World War One and World War Two.

Next time there is a war in Europe, and there will be a next time, hopefully we’ll sit that one out.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 19:09
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hopefully we’ll sit that one out.
Or pitch up late.........
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 19:11
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Originally Posted by con-pilot
Next time there is a war in Europe, and there will be a next time, hopefully we’ll sit that one out.

Where will be the profit in that?
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 19:11
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But you weren't late regarding the Czechs?

Hypocrite.
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Old 7th Nov 2014, 19:15
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Where will be the profit in that?
Come on John, you should know that, I'm disappointed.

Easy, by selling stuff to both sides.
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