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Old 16th Jun 2017, 02:31
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I'm sure Washington knows where the fat little c**t is at most times.
If they don't - get Dennis Rodman to slip a satellite beacon in that copy of the Art of the Deal.
A conventional tipped ICBM.
A quick phonecall to Ivan and Xi when inbound to say that we're just dealing with a little issue.
Bada boom.
All done in a few minutes.
Job done - head cut off - no direction to armed forces.
Actually - no need for the ICBM.
The Art of the Deal might lead him to f*ck things up for himself more spectacularly than any missile could.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 05:27
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Did you spend much time on that?
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 21:49
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He has now died (or has been declared dead more likely).

Otto Warmbier, US student sent home from N Korea, dies.
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 05:27
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Otto Warmbier, 22, was serving 15 years of hard labour for attempting to steal a propaganda sign from a hotel.

He was sent back to the US last Tuesday on humanitarian grounds - it emerged he had been in a coma for a year.
OK, so what was it that so intrigued him about North Korea that he felt the urge to visit in the first place?
Timeline of events
30 Dec 2015 - Mr Warmbier travels from Beijing to Pyongyang with a tour group.
2 Jan 2016 - He is arrested at Pyongyang International Airport as he tries to leave the country. Later that month, North Korea announces it is holding Mr Warmbier for a "hostile act".
16 March 2016 - Mr Warmbier goes on trial in Pyongyang where he confesses to stealing a propaganda poster, and is sentenced to 15 years of hard labour. He is believed to have slipped into a coma shortly after his trial.
Early June 2017 - US officials and Mr Warmbier's parents are told about his condition
13 June 2017 -He is released from North Korea and medically evacuated to the US. Doctors say he has suffered a severe brain injury.
19 June 2017 - Mr Warmbier dies.
The economics student from the University of Virginia had travelled to North Korea as a tourist.
I guess something about North Korea is so awesome that people simple must go.
What is it?
A month after his arrest, he appeared at a news conference tearfully confessing to trying to take a sign from his hotel as a "trophy" for a US church.
"The aim of my task was to harm the motivation and work ethic of the Korean people," he said.
Foreign detainees in North Korea have previously recanted confessions, saying they were made under pressure.
The company Mr Warmbier travelled with, China-based company Young Pioneer Tours, has announced it will no longer take visitors from the US to the country.
"The way his detention was handled was appalling and a tragedy like this must never be repeated," it said in a statement.
Spend your tourist dollars wisely folks. I am not sure what he thought he'd get away with regarding that poster ... que?
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 20:35
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Excellent think piece from the U.S. publication
The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-earth/528717/

Staggering to think that the corpulent one would actually kill millions, yes millions, with a nuke.

I know we weigh that as a possibility but sometimes it just is breathtaking how evil that would be. Bowden is correct in describing such a potential scenario as the worst catastrophe in human history.
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 22:53
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So many things wrong with that article, the main one being in the final option (and clearly the authors fav) requires that the Fat wun to be a rational actor. He is far from that, he is far from the rational actors of the Soviet day when it was a chess match of action and reaction. There appears to one person in the OODA loop in the north, allowing his paranoi to drive the agenda without council, even the author agrees to that. What he sees as a provocation worthy of war could be as simple as a non nuclear B-1 paralleling the border.

No, he's to unstable to singularly have MAD stopping him from acting in a rational, fearful manner.
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 05:52
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I think that assesment is a bit harsh WC. Bowden put forth four options and laid out the plus and minus of each.

I do however, think your critique in specific has a good deal of merit. I well understand what one means when one categorizes an actor as rational, but even in the nation state calculus threatening to incinerate millions in one fell swoop does beggar the term to be sure.

We are going to need to see more than just velleity on the allies part otherwise this could very well be a decades long threat.
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 07:36
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There was a piece on the radio yesterday afternoon about "tourists" going to NK. It seems that one of the motivations of some to go there, is to preach Christianity, presumably in the hope that this will change the way the regime thinks about the world. The person being interviewed had been to NK, and warned that if the NK authorities had any inkling that a visitor had connections to a religious group there was a strong probability that they would be arrested. He referred to NK border control having a custom of doing a web search on the names of anyone visiting, in order to determine if they were journalists, associated with a religious group, etc.
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Old 27th Jun 2017, 19:47
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I used to live in New Malden and have been puzzled as to why so many North Koreans chose it as the place to defect to.

Good on them! One group of asylum seekers I fully support.
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Old 28th Jun 2017, 15:43
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That Korean restaurant in Raines Park?
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 03:27
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Irrespective what one thinks about Mr. Trump he does seem to be trying to push this issue from top dead center

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/03/w...T.nav=top-news

As we always say, not sure what wiggle room exists when the piston moves, but otherwise it seemed to be headed for years more of the status quo whilst the corpulent one builds weapons that can kill millions.

I don't envy Mr. Trump's NSC staff and the options they need to push forward.

Of course in statecraft everything is choreographed so it is interesting that the SK Prez was just in Washington...

Speaking of the pudgy one, it looks as if he has launched yet another missile.

The gift that just keeps on giving.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 03:39
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Btw...I still think that the U.S. could make certain assurances to the Chinese in the event of a regime change....humanitarian aid and a neutral/non American client buffer zone on China's border being the foremost.

No one in the world can gen up humanitarian sea and airlift like the Yanks and they could decant the pressure on China's border.

Of course this all begs the question of regime change. If it were just that easy it would have been done and dusted in the early 1950s.

Possible I guess, but is it going to cost Seoul and Edo in the process?

Second btw...Trump really needs to appoint officials in the responsible agencies to help work this. Going into a situation like this with the bench rather empty is downright foolish.

This is a bit more serious than a campaign pitch that government is bad at all times in all places.

Sure you might have fought the Second World War (I still put it in caps) with 18 gents on long lunch hours in State, but the times are different.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 03:51
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Irrespective what one thinks about Mr. Trump he does seem to be trying to push this issue from top dead center
Thin skinned, xenophobic, misogynistic, fascist, bigoted, ignorant, demagogic. So much in common. I've got the popcorn in.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 05:49
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Originally Posted by clareprop View Post
Thin skinned, xenophobic, misogynistic, fascist, bigoted, ignorant, demagogic. So much in common. I've got the popcorn in.
I can forgive you those things. We've all got issues. But what about Trump?
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 07:47
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4th July wake-up call.

Good Morning Viet-Nam/USA.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 18:21
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I think that's down right friendly of Mr Kim, to set off a fireworks in honor our 4th of July holiday.

Relationship thawing, perhaps?
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 19:39
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I think that's down right friendly of Mr Kim, to set off a fireworks in honor our 4th of July holiday.
Be neighborly of us to return the favor then.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 20:40
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Russia and China are suggesting that if the US and SK stop military exercises, Kimmie V.Badhaircut will stop his shenanigans. Yes, that's the ticket. That'll work.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 21:10
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Russia and China are suggesting that if the US and SK stop military exercises, Kimmie V.Badhaircut will stop his shenanigans. Yes, that's the ticket. That'll work.
Appeasement, 1930s style. That went well!

He needs to be hit with a big stick, sooner rather than later. Any hesitation will only delay and exacerbate the inevitable.
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