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Old 30th Apr 2017, 14:39
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T'would be rather unfortunate if an errant missile took out that bridge between NK and China, wouldn't it?
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Old 30th Apr 2017, 20:40
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Donald Trump: N Korea's Kim Jong-un a 'smart cookie'.

I think DT has it wrong, Kim Jong Un is just a puppet - if he wasn't his father's son he wouldn't exist.

The decisions that he takes are proxies taken by the big hats. As long as he does what he is told he has nothing to fear, and it is in the interest of the big hats to keep him alive until he produces a male heir.
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Old 1st May 2017, 15:13
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A group of military analysts in this area, specifically in SK, now strongly suspect that the latest missile was a test of the warhead, to deliberately explode it at a particular moment in flight.
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Old 1st May 2017, 15:39
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Even Japan has sent its biggest warship to help in North Korea | Metro News
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Old 1st May 2017, 15:53
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It seems strange that the US, with all its resources in the area, doesn't just shoot down each rocket as soon as it's over the sea.
Not only would this curtail the testing, but it would be a useful test and demonstration of the US capabilities.
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Old 1st May 2017, 16:01
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
Does Kim Jong Un attend lunches personally ?
How do you think he got the name FatBoy Kim?
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Old 1st May 2017, 17:44
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A drone strike on a missile while it's on the pad just about to launch would send a clear message. It could be explained as a failed test so that the North Koreans aren't forced to retaliate to save face and the Americans can't be blamed unless they admit it or evidence is presented to prove their involvement.

The point gets made without forcing the Norths hand.

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Old 1st May 2017, 18:47
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It seems strange that the US, with all its resources in the area, doesn't just shoot down each rocket as soon as it's over the sea. Not only would this curtail the testing, but it would be a useful test and demonstration of the US capabilities.

  1. The political reality is that the US firing anything (traceable) into NK becomes fodder for DPRK propaganda and an excuse for them to do something very hostile since "we have been attacked." Pretty sure most South Korean and US policy makers understand this.

  2. If it could be done via non traceable means, then it would be an interesting way to mess with DPRK political leadership. The non-trivial risk being that eventually, as the US is horrible about this lately, someone eventually can't keep their mouth shut about it and brags about "oh how clever we are." Then go back to point 1.


    I'd say: don't, particularly not the "I can shoot into your territory and there's naught you can do about it" ploy. That would invite something like the torpedo attack on the S Korean frigate a few years back, for what gain?
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I'd not presume that one can predict the reaction of the DPRK propaganda machine, though things might play out as you describe. Might not.
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Old 1st May 2017, 19:11
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Trump open to direct discussion with Yung Fat Wun. (Dutch source)

Trump wil in gesprek met Kim Jong-un|Buitenland| Telegraaf.nl
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Old 1st May 2017, 19:54
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post

  1. I'd say: don't, particularly not the "I can shoot into your territory and there's naught you can do about it" ploy. That would invite something like the torpedo attack on the S Korean frigate a few years back, for what gain?
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I'd not presume that one can predict the reaction of the DPRK propaganda machine, though things might play out as you describe. Might not.
NK has already stated that their response to aggression would be to take out the US submarine in South Korea.
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Old 1st May 2017, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
The political reality is that the US firing anything (traceable) into NK becomes fodder for DPRK propaganda and an excuse for them to do something very hostile since "we have been attacked." Pretty sure most South Korean and US policy makers understand this.
I did not say to fire into NK. Their tests so far have been over the sea, towards Japan. Once the rocket was over international waters it would be fair game.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 07:53
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Taking out a NK missile over international waters, particularly if it seemed headed in the general direction of Japan, could be seen as a good move, from a Western and Japanese perspective. However, it's very unlikely to be spun that way inside NK, and whilst we might think that showing NK that their much-vaunted missile capability can be neutralised is a good thing, NK are quite capable of spinning it as an unwarranted act of aggression to their own people, so increasing, rather than decreasing tensions.

Whilst it's tempting to think that showing NK that they can't just throw their weight around by test firing long range missiles willy-nilly, I doubt that shooting them down will help. I personally think the best chance of controlling NK's growing aggression is almost certainly going to come from China, rather than the West.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Akrotiri71 View Post
How do you think he got the name FatBoy Kim?
That should be "launches personally" .
Does he attend in person?
Which is that which I originally posted!
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Old 2nd May 2017, 13:18
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Taking out a NK missile over international waters, particularly if it seemed headed in the general direction of Japan, could be seen as a good move, from a Western and Japanese perspective. However, it's very unlikely to be spun that way inside NK, and whilst we might think that showing NK that their much-vaunted missile capability can be neutralised is a good thing, NK are quite capable of spinning it as an unwarranted act of aggression to their own people, so increasing, rather than decreasing tensions.
But their own people only hear what they are told by their masters, and they are unlikely to be told that their all-conquering strike power against the US can be shot down at will.

Whilst it's tempting to think that showing NK that they can't just throw their weight around by test firing long range missiles willy-nilly, I doubt that shooting them down will help. I personally think the best chance of controlling NK's growing aggression is almost certainly going to come from China, rather than the West.
We all agree on that, but their slowness in acting is also aggravating the situation.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 13:54
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Which makes one think that China thinks some aggravating of the US is not a bad thing.
That nagging thorn in the side that just won't go away and distracts as the coal trains keep rolling across the border.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 14:56
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
NK has already stated that their response to aggression would be to take out the US submarine in South Korea.
That's a pretty hilarious statement, given that a US submarine isn't stationed in South Korea. Gotta love the DPRK PR guys, giving Baghdad Bob a run for his money.
I did not say to fire into NK. Their tests so far have been over the sea, towards Japan. Once the rocket was over international waters it would be fair game.
How familiar are you with TBMD engagement geometry? I am somewhat familiar with it, but I'm over a decade old in my understanding of how they have improved / grown. Your proposal overlooks some crunchy bits of how it all works.
Do you know which target (spot, wave top, drop of water) in the ocean the DPRK is aiming at? If you do, please advise ...
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Old 2nd May 2017, 15:11
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The USS Michigan docked at South Korea's Busan port on Tuesday (last week), in what it called a routine visit. It is a nuclear-powered submarine carrying 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 60 special operations troops and mini-subs.
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The USS Michigan docked at South Korea's Busan port on Tuesday (last week), in what it called a routine visit. It is a nuclear-powered submarine carrying 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 60 special operations troops and mini-subs.
A port call hardly qualifies as a US submarine in South Korea, sorry, and I'll leave further comment about subs getting underway aside. I am having a hard time believing that you buy the DPRK's line of talk, so I am not sure what all this noise is about.
Maybe my confusion is that of a Naval/Maritime sort talking to Air Force folk, and the assumptions I carry about with me based on experience.


Having an SSN/SSGN surfaced and in port in a contentious area is an interesting wrinkle on the Naval Presence mission. We live in interesting times.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 15:26
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My comment was based on this.

N. Korea threatens to sink US nuclear submarine in S. Korea.
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