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Old 16th Apr 2017, 16:07
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Given what happened to Tibet and part of the Ukraine, a Chinese annexation of NK by force is not beyond the realm of possibility if they don't play ball. They have moved considerable armed forces near the border in the last couple of weeks.
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Old 16th Apr 2017, 18:27
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Couldn't Kim without wanting it actually be sort of useful to the West? Countering him gave us a reason to put THAAD including wide area radar in the region, now we might just add maybe nukes, ships, aircraft and whatever we feel is needed? That must be the most elegant way to react to China's reef claims in the region. An we can even say it's only because your own buddy opts to go crazy as you don't have him under control.
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Old 16th Apr 2017, 19:12
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Even though it came immediately to grief, I am surprised that the Augustus Gloop wannabe tried to fire a missile this weekend. Knowing that the U.S. had additional forces nearby it seemed to be quite the provocative act.

I guess after the terribly tonsured one tucks into another ham hock with gravy and a few desserts that he will make his next move.
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Old 16th Apr 2017, 19:26
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China stopped it's own North Korea airline flights from Beijing and is said to have moved own troops next the nork border while sending warnings to Kim trough it's media about not wanting any nuclear fallout (again?) on it's territory. So he must feel under pressure not to show any weakness.
I'd dare to speculate China will solve this for us before it gets out of hand.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 00:43
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Next steps by China could involve banning Air Koryo flights to Beijing because of fears of radiation contamination, or oil supplies being reduced in a non confrontational​ way, ie refinery maintenance or shipment fails quality control test and can't be released for export.

A Chinese engineered coup is a possibility, replacing Kim with a tame relative or military leader who would seek greater Chinese involvement and secure a substantial aid package in return, which would keep the population happy. The military could be bought off with modern Chinese conventional weapons.

This way war is avoided, China keeps a client state and now has much greater control. Chinese investment can take place in the North Korean economy particularly the mining sector.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 01:04
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I doubt the Norks would give their nukes up involuntarily to China anymore than to the US.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 02:01
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I doubt the Norks would give their nukes up involuntarily to China anymore than to the US.

Ah, but that is the point is it not? To maneuver Mr. Gloop into a situation where the involuntary becomes voluntary. Requires a few more moves on the board and perhaps some inspired Bishop and Knight play in order to get check, but Metro Man does put forth a reasonable postulation as to China's thinking.

I am wondering if the missile failure was indeed a Western hack. If so, perhaps they left a big message for them that said love and kisses from Sony Pictures.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 13:59
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I'll wager a months income that the missile failure was definitely the result of a Stuxnet-type worm inserted into NK computers - that probably randomly moves decimal points one place right or left.
The failure sure wouldn't have been any NK scientist/chemist/nuclear physicist failure - they all know what personal failure or carelessness means. Meantimes, the NK executions will continue until morale improves.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 14:08
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Replacing one bad guy tends to just end up with another equally bad or worse guy. Best leave them get on with it and be prepared to protect yourself should the worst happen.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 14:45
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Might be a course of action if we were dealing with conventional weapons.
Now Wunbadhaircut has nuclear weapons and is working so very hard on delivery systems for them and shouts out every week about how he is going to pulverize people in seas of fire......the world changes.
You don't want to have to be in a position where you have to shoot down inflight nukes...it is far from a sure thing. You will have a radioactive mess along will mass casualties and horrific damage. That leaves diplomacy(and that has gone really well over the course of years and years hasn't it? Diplomacy is not used in madhouses or war.) or preemptive action.
Just taking them out might, in the long run, be the best action. Ask Israel.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 16:00
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My thought, maybe NK were saving face by launching the missile knowingly it would explode on launch and therefore would avoid any strike from the US battle fleet, showing defiance to the US while keeping the citizens proud of their nation.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 18:42
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News last night said there was no mention on NK telly of the attempted launch. Said that's in step with past launch failures.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 19:05
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Latest news from NK.

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Old 18th Apr 2017, 08:24
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Apparently the UK has given NK 4 million in aid over the past few years, which includes funds to develop internet access. Those in charge of such largesse with taxpayers money should be fired immediately.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 08:31
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Why on earth are we giving aid to a nation whose stated aim is to nuke us and our allies into non-existence?

I sometimes wonder what planet those who make such decisions are from.

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Old 18th Apr 2017, 08:42
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Dunno what the exchange rate is, but I hope they spent it quickly.

As I wrote on a parallel military thread here, an expert interviewed on Japanese TV today was saying how DPRK usually has an ulterior motive when they start loudly threatening everyone with nuclear holocaust. In the past two crises their aim was economic. This time however, the old analyst thinks that it is a demand for the US to grant NK full recognition as a member of the nuclear club, an ability to rub shoulders on the world stage with the others.


He suggests that the US will never agree to such recognition, as it would mean giving South Korea and Japan the green light to develop their own nuclear weapons in turn.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 08:44
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It seems to me that if Trump wants to take out the threat of NK now is the time to do it. With about a 50% launch failure rate it would appear to be not very clever to hang a nuclear weapon on the end of an unreliable missile. I see reports today that there are 2 more carriers headed in NK's direction. We do indeed live in interesting times.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 09:31
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Ian McCulloch. Big news amongst the ex-pat community here in Japan:


https://japantoday.com/category/ente...without-notice
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 11:02
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"If the USA encroaches upon our sovereignty then it will provoke our immediate counter reaction and if it is planning a military attack against us, we will react with a nuclear pre-emptive strike by our own style and method." [my bold]


As I have said above, there are other methods (and perhaps easier ones) to deliver a nuclear weapon to the US mainland than by ICBM. I trust that the US authorities are not blind to the possibility.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 16:54
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As I have said above, there are other methods (and perhaps easier ones) to deliver a nuclear weapon to the US mainland than by ICBM. I trust that the US authorities are not blind to the possibility.
When's the last time you visited the US?
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