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Old 7th Apr 2017, 07:16
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Just checking out RT news last night and noticed a large article about South Korea and how their mobile missile launchers are now able to cover the whole of North Korea with cruise missiles. About to read it when a virus warning flashed up; an unsafe site, it said...?


But do they see an equal but opposite scenario in Moscow regarding the Korean peninsula?
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 07:37
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Another good view from The Economist.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...ist-explains-2
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 15:45
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Id suggest the economist article to be true if the US was relying on China to be part of the solution. If instead it's a go it alone approach, the calculus changes to China having to contend with outcomes ranging from a glowing neighbor to seeing DT himself looking over the River into China.
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 07:52
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Just reading that Mr. Trump is sending the aircraft carrier Vinson toward the Western Pacific in order to show the Fat Un that he is serious.

I am not a betting man but if I were I would not try to out guess Mr. Trump's intentions...particulary after this past weeks love note to Syria.
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 09:29
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The attack on Syria has only hardened NK's resolve to proceed full speed to maximum nuclear ability.
Trump is going to have to do better than a single attack on Syria to rein in the NK thugs.
Trumps action is the equivalent of belting the spastic kid in school, to show the school bully that you mean business. It means nothing to the bully.

One has to ponder the possibility, if the chemical weapons used in Syria were supplied by NK? The chances are very high, IMO.

ABC News (Aust) - NK calls U.S. air strikes on Syria, "unforgivable"
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 11:23
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Point well made Onetrack. I think Syria was just for grins. Everyone except the recipients of the missiles had a good chuckle and notched up some warrior ethos. Chests were swollen with pride over the keen and decisive leadership on display and all that. NK is different.

I will know things are really getting serious when SK officials decamp from Seoul, the Marines on Okinawa are put afloat, and SK activates its reservists.

Not sure how missile strikes or air bombardment alone could neutralize the portly Un.
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 23:26
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Tillerson at the tiller

Noticed this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...missile-strike

Looks as if Mr. Tillerson is taking a very measured response to this crisis. I like the language he was using here:

Tillerson described a “shared view and no disagreement as to how dangerous the situation has become”.

In view of the regional threat now posed by North Korean missile tests and nuclear ambitions, he said, the Chinese “do not believe the conditions are right today to engage in discussions with the government in Pyongyang”.

“We’re hopeful,” he added, “that we can work together with the Chinese to change the conditions in the minds of the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] leadership. And then, at that point, perhaps discussions may be useful.

“But I think there’s a shared view and no disagreement as to how dangerous the situation has become. And I think even China is beginning to recognise that this presents a threat to even to China’s interests as well.”



This is indeed the language and working of diplomacy--millimeter by millimeter and the work to find out where there are areas of common interest. I realize that Tillerson's boss is using different language, but it sounds as if there is some very prudent thinking going on here.

I don't envy them trying to thread a very narrow needle but it looks as if Tillerson, a bright man by all accounts, is ploughing ground with both allies and others in the region.

Perhaps the Americans are working to assure the Chinese that should Pudgy Un fall (euphemistic language intended) that they would not plant their flag, so to speak, right on the Chinese border.

Lots of moving parts on this one.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 02:01
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Before anyone starts exchanging missile's .They ought to exchange Barbers .
Can you imagine anyone taking either side seriously enough if Trump got the Lil Kim commode bowl cut and Lil Kim got a comb over .
People would be laughing so hard ,peace might just break out
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 11:59
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Sounds to me that Yung Fat Wun is getting worried.

North Korea lashes out at US Navy strike group move - BBC News
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 18:05
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What would happen if war broke out between North Korea and the US? | Metro News
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 22:10
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I cannot imagine that either side would 'fire the first shot', although, maybe if NK loosed a missile towards the US ships . . .
. . . then the US would surely retaliate.

Likewise I cannot imagine that NK would be stupid enough to attack South Korea (or vice versa) - but you never know, skirmishes have happened before - but would the US join in?

I lived through Suez and the Cuban missile crisis (and I was alarmed by the latter). As a member of the Air Training Corps I had received 'instruction' that outlined what would happen after the 4 minutes (and some of it was disturbing - British troops shooting survivors as there was no infrastructure to support them with food). Alarmist, maybe, but the lectures were frightening.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 08:46
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(and some of it was disturbing - British troops shooting survivors as there was no infrastructure to support them with food).
That's a new one! I was in the Forces at that time and we knew nothing about that. Maybe your ATC instructor was more imaginative than others.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:02
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The real problem with NK is trying to filter the statements that Pyongyang puts out. Most are probably aimed at reinforcing the internal story that NK is under constant threat from the US, as that seems to be the key to Kim Jong-un's power and authority.

I'm not convinced that NK poses a credible threat to the West, in terms of them starting a nuclear exchange, but the smokescreen of angry rhetoric, backed up by increasingly more capable weapon tests, is worrying, if only because a diplomatic resolution with Kim Jong-un is seemingly impossible.

If the West was to get a foot in the door, diplomatically, then Kim Jong-un's power base would dissolve, as I'm sure it relies very largely on keeping the vast majority of the population deluded. Short of Kim Jong-un dying and being replaced by a radically different leader, I'm not sure there is a damned thing, short of military action, that the West can do. Chinese diplomacy is probably the only hope of moderating the outlook of Pyongyang to the rest of the world, and they seem very reluctant to intercede.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:17
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Short of Kim Jong-un dying and being replaced by a radically different leader, I'm not sure there is a damned thing, short of military action, that the West can do.
I'm not sure that K J-U is the problem, other than that he is palpable by the big-hats.
Unless a replacement held radical 'Westernised' views (and was a strong-enough character to oppose the big-hats) we would be into more of the same.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 17:02
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The problem for the 'Big Hats Brigade' is that they have built up Kim into a form of deity. If he went who would they replace him with?
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 20:31
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Speaking of the Chinese... It appears they are openly telling the Portly Un to start working and playing well with others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/w...i-jinping.html
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 00:06
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I'm not convinced that NK poses a credible threat to the West

With Kimmie and his lackies it's the "loose cannon" factor that is the worry.
He and his regime are so full up with lies and distortions of reality that just the one fit of crazy mistake - eg. firing one missile at a US naval ship, a military base or civilians in S.K. or Japan and I can see an almost automatic Trump reaction and then it's all a game of dominoes.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 00:52
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His father told him that only nuclear weapons would secure the future of North Korea in the world, and he swore then to his father that he would stick faithfully to the path.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 01:13
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If it is any consolation about the unpredictable sequence of events should something trigger an escalation, it should be that SK, Japan, and even China are consulting over this. Having the comm lines fully open before something happens is some reassurance....albeit perhaps thin gruel.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 01:18
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There are 2 amazingly arrogant fools, each with their fingers hovering over the nuclear push-button, and it will only take a small provocation for one of them to do something stupid, like push it. The ego of the other one won't allow him to NOT push his in retaliation. The Dictator versus the D1ckhead.
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