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Old 20th Aug 2016, 12:59
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Why do some communities consider it necessary to prevent their participants from leaving?

I don't believe that the restriction is to prevent people from joining - though maybe it is in some cases?
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 13:09
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Why do some communities consider it necessary to prevent their participants from leaving?
Jails and lunatic asylums come to mind. There may be others?
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 15:05
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John,

North Korea faces struggle to respond to diplomat defection | CTV News

Is this another case of it didn't happen, impossible, as you have been saying for years? If not, are you helping with NK's response? We need to know...
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 20:18
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North Korea calls UK-based defector 'human scum' - BBC News
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 21:55
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Turbine D, just believe whatever suits you.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 08:00
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This is a breakthrough!

John Hill espouses freedom of thought!

What would Kim Jong-un say about that, John? He needs all the friends he can either get or keep right now, what with being at war with the USA, the Republic of Korea, the Moon colonies, and various other national, international, and pan-Galactic bodies to be named as and when necessary.

I thought it was to be the Juche ideal all the way, belief in this happy little land that is a reliable trade partner with bowling alleys and ski lifts and great big bronze statues and all that sort of thing ... all meant to reinforce uncritical belief in Kim Jong-un.

Now this, that we can believe whatever suits us. So it's okay if I want to believe that North Korea started the Korean War, eh? Great!

Thanks for that, John. I have a question, though .... If it's now okay to believe in the existence of a vast network of concentration camps, as I also do (unseen by you or by me, but somewhat reliably reported in various ways), how can I then believe in someone who refuses to deal with that North Korean reality, someone who chooses to ignore or at least downplay that to focus on trivia such as bowling alleys and the Mongolian Bar and swapping jokes with his minder? How should I view John Hill?

Before I had been gifted freedom of belief this question did not trouble me; there was only one way to view this fellow, as some cool-headed, neutral, insightful observer of the North Korean scene, in the way that John Hill viewed himself. Now what?

It seems that our John, after years of clinging to the slippery vine that is speaking up for Kim Jong-un and North Korea, is finally losing his grip. Well, let's wait to see what that former ambassador to the UK has to tell us, whether that confirms what John wants us to believe, or else what we consumers of anti-Kim propaganda want to believe.

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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 10:01
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The ninth Commandment as handed down to Moses forbids lying but the Founding Fathers of the United States of America saw fit to modify that somewhat in the First Amendment to their Constitution. The modern interpretation of the First can be said to prohibit or allow lying as circumstances demand which in short means that the First allows lying.

The US was founded with the legend of George Washington and the cherry tree which of course was a lie and now two centuries later lies are readily accepted from the US government, their media and seemingly posters on Internet forum sites.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 10:50
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I presume from that statement that John will legitimately claim that the ex-ambassador is lying when he spills the beans.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 11:08
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You can believe all the lies you choose or you can exercise just a bit of discernment but you will never know the truth.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 11:26
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Wrong again, actually ....

John, the First Amendment simply says that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech .... " If you lived in the USA you would be as perfectly free to peddle your customary lies as you would be to attempt, just once in a while, to tell the truth.

Parson Weems published his The Life of Washington, with its little fable about the cherry tree, in 1800. It was hagiography, not history: a little book intended for the moral instruction of children, not something written to be taken for historical fact by adults.

The USA was founded in July of 1776, some 24 years before the publication of the parson's story of George Washington and his little hatchet, and his father's cherry tree. It could not be so that the USA was founded on this story, given that 24-year gap between the USA's foundation and the story's publication.

We do accept some lies, yes. I assume that you have some practice in doing that yourself though, simply going by your persistent peddling of the lies that North Korea did not start the Korean War, and that North Korea is a reliable trade partner (when what has happened with the Kaesong Industrial Zone seems to show that as just another lie), and so on. Kim Jong-un the potential reformer ... what a whopper!

Here, what you just wrote could be called "lies" but that might be giving them too much importance. How about "fibs" instead? Could we say that we have caught you fibbing, taking your fantasies for fact and then pushing out the fantasies as fact upon what you seem to take for a very nave audience? How different are you from Parson Weems in doing this?
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 14:49
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How different are you from Parson Weems in doing this?
John's alive and Weems is dead.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 15:35
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Just Juche!

The Juche ideal! Indeed, chuks!

I choose not to believe that Kim Jong-Un has ever requested any aid from the West. Or from anywhere outwith his mighty and progressive Republic!

Juche, combined with the inspired leadership of the Dear Leader and the resolute will of the people, is an eternal spring from which flow comestible abundance, industrial might, scientific ingenuity and military invincibility!

Any statements that the DPRK has ever requested, required or received foreign aid are outright mendacities spouted by shameless bourgeois running-dogs of the envious, depraved West!!
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You tell 'em like it is, John!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 17:45
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Me too!

I hereby renounce all previous beliefs in North Korea ever receiving food aid from anywhere. Ditto for Kim Il Sung having started the Korean War; that must have been someone else who did that.

Juche rocks and Juche rules. All hail Kim Jong-un, the brilliant Sun rising in the East.

You will know that His name is the Kimster when he lays His vengeance upon thee! A-men!
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I hereby declare that I believe every word of the message I received from Lagos describing in exquisite detail the character of one of those who post on this forum.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 21:06
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Meanwhile in South Korea.

North Korea threatens nuclear strike that will reduce US and South Korean armies to 'ashes'.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 22:00
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I hereby choose to believe that Kim Jong IL did indeed shoot 38 under par, invent the hamburger, take the fashion industry by storm, have a supernatural birth (just like that other widely worshipped deity here in the west...Anakin Skywalker), and that he never once used a toilet in his life, and that the only reason North Korean citizens are not allowed access the internet is to "protect the west's dignity and reputation".
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 01:58
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The simple fact remains that NK survives to this day because China supports a crazy little dictator nutter neighbour, because it suits China admirably to do so.

If the West put pressure on China to stop supporting the Little Fat Dictator, he and his nasty little regime would implode within a month.

Why the West has not pressured China in this manner is the real question we need to be asking.
I guess it would take some political leaders with decent-sized cojones, and they are a type of politician it is virtually impossible to find today.
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 02:55
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The 'West' has been saying for more than 60 years that the DPRK is about to 'implode' so how much longer?

China does not want the DPRK to collapse and there a couple of understandable reasons why that is so.

Meanwhile if you keep allowing the propaganda machine(s) to work you into a tizzy someone may be stupid enough to resume the war.
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 02:57
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I think that North Korea's usefulness to China is diminishing, hence a certain air of desperation from the Kimster as he tries to hold the world's attention with his wild, increasingly wilder threats. It would be interesting to think that we might be seeing the end phase for North Korea.

Yes, John, " ... someone may be stupid enough to resume the war." Umm, perhaps the same nation that started the war in the first place? Perhaps by issuing more and more extreme threats of nuclear attack, using bad English? (What in the blazes is a pre-emptive retaliatory attack? An attack can be one or the other, but not both. Either you attack before your foe has done so, which is pre-emptive, or you do so afterwards, which is retaliatory.) I believe that "someone" must be North Korea, John.

Oddly enough, I really did live just down the street from the residence of some North Koreans, a shabby compound in Isolo, Nigeria. We would sometimes see these sorry-looking, skinny little guys wearing washed-out clothes going out shopping, always in pairs, never alone. Fear of being kidnapped by South Korean agents, or one there to watch the other, and vice-versa?

I guess we know who John is getting his information from, but I swear that those big boxes of condoms they saw me hauling back from Doc Kupa's clinic every week were for the other guys, not for me!

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