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Old 16th Jun 2016, 03:07
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We don't want to talk about Kaesong!

The Kaesong Industrial Region was the leading example of the South Koreans trying exactly what John bleats on about unceasingly: positive engagement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region

Everything there went very well, the North Koreans proving to be the dependable trade partners John Hill tells us that they are. Sadly, this all came to a sudden end when George W. Bush ordered the Kaesong Industrial Region closed, thus restoring the status quo.

There is another version of reality: "On February 10, 2016, the South Korean Ministry of Unification announced that the industrial park would be 'temporarily' closed down and all staff recalled, partly in protest over continued North Korean provocations, including a satellite launch and a claimed hydrogen bomb test in January 2016. The next day, the North announced it was expelling all South Korean workers and said it will freeze all South Korean assets and equipment at the jointly run factory park." (Wikipedia)

So, South Korea tried exactly what John seems to want to see, when they lost about a billion US dollars and got exactly nowhere with the North Koreans. Those were serious multi-national corporations trying to operate in North Korea, not sleazeball losers doing a bit of low-risk bottom-feeding, what might really be meant by "positive engagement" here. Kaesong was a bold venture with obvious benefits to both sides, including access to low-wage labor for those South Korean capitalists. I suppose they gambled on the hard currency earnings accruing to the North being enough to ensure Northern adherence to what had been agreed on a government-to-government level, yet the North Koreans still killed Kaesong stone dead. They ended up with a nice meal of roast goose, but no more golden eggs.

If North Korea won't stick to such an agreement as that, what chances are there of North Korea being a truly dependable partner in normal trade? It looks as if whatever success John Hill can boast of there was very much the exception rather than the rule, so that "positive engagement" is just a beautiful vision for now.

One-off deals skirting legality, sure. If you don't mind the idea of yer man in North Korea possibly being grabbed and jugged, the next time that petulant little bag of suet who runs the place needs a high-level delegation being sent to kow-tow in exchange for his release, such deals are achievable.

If you do one such deal, be sure to send someone to work it whom nobody would ever miss; that way the Norks would know not to grab him.

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Old 17th Aug 2016, 15:42
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North Korea diplomat in London defects to South.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 17:03
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If my life depended on painting the NK government in a positive light wrt human rights...
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 20:37
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You could start by comparing the North Korean incarceration rate with that of other countries, your own for example.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 21:05
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You could start by comparing the North Korean incarceration rate with that of other countries, your own for example.
To avoid the hassle of incarceration, the Norks opt for elimination.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 21:20
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You mean executions of their own citizens? That would be another comparison you could make with the US.

We do not know how many people are executed in the DPRK just as we do not know how many prisoners have died in the secret prisons, ('black sites') of the US.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 21:36
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So if you or someone you cared about did something silly and found themselves incarcerated John, in which country would you prefer for them to experience this, the U.S. or North Korea?

It must be such a lovely place with so many of it's citizens risking their lives. sneaking through the most mined and militarized place on the planet to escape it.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 21:47
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UDT, hmmm, that would be a hard choice to make. For example they might find themselves crucified in chains and repeatedly beaten over a period of days until they died or they might find themselves in North Korea.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 22:00
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And as we all know, plenty of American citizens risk their lives every year to escape that nasty, terrible place.
When they get caught they risk deportation, right John?

Let's make another comparison, since we're talking about jail: legal systems. Which one is better in your expert, un-biased opinion?
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First we have to address those comparisons I posted.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 22:34
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That's john's way of saying he won't commit past slagging the US and towards a substantive discussion. Take your whacks at John, he'll do the same and we'll move on till the next NK dust up.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 01:11
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West Coast, I note that you are unwilling to compare the US with the DPRK in regards to incarceration and execution rates which are key indicators of human rights even though it was you who introduced human rights to this topic.
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You're right John, not going to feed a troll.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 01:23
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West Coast shouting over his shoulder as he scuttles away.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 03:16
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West Coast shouting over his shoulder as he scuttles away.
No, just West Coast coming to his senses and realising that you're off this planet. Sorry.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 03:38
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I think your Falcon's oil filter needs renewal, John.
Always keep spares on hand.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 04:42
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My old Falcon is just fine thank you but I do find my BS filter needs frequent servicing on this forum and I am afraid my hypocrisy detector has banged against the stops so many times the needle is wrapped around itself.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 05:50
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How's your denial doing? Working great, looks like.
How many Americans risked their lives this week trying to escape that horrible place?

While you're comparing things between the DPRK and that nasty place called USA, would you mind comparing the things that came out from both of them which actually made our lives better?
You know like the internet, the aircraft, and such.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 06:40
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John,
One of the best come-backs in a while,
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While you're comparing things between the DPRK and that nasty place called USA...
I dont have to make any such comparisons but only a hypocrite would criticise another country when their's is guilty of the same or worse sins.
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