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Old 29th May 2016, 01:34
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John,
Are you a member in good standing of the NZ DPRK Society? If so, I can somewhat understand your prolific creation of multiple threads on the North Korean subject, even although the subject is barely deserving of one thread...
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Don't get your hopes up. Donald Trump doesn't engage with or debate with people that are judged to be #2 or of lesser standing, which would include the Yung Fat Un no matter what Donald might have previously said...

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Old 29th May 2016, 02:39
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I could very well imagine talks between Trump and the Little Fat Wun very rapidly running off the rails, and ending up with a nuclear exchange, as the insults escalated to unbelievable levels.

Courteous and civilised discussion and negotiation is not playing too much of a part in the current electioneering in America - but invective, abuse, name-calling, and generally childish and narcissistic behaviour, is certainly on regular display.
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Old 29th May 2016, 03:14
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Turbine D, there is an opportunity for you, visit the web site of the NZ DPRK society and post some of their stuff here, with comments of course.
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Old 29th May 2016, 03:57
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"... [I]nvective, abuse, name-calling, and generally childish and narcissistic behaviour [are] certainly on regular display [in American politics, and that is on a good day!]" Yes, just when you thought American politics could not go any lower, along came Donald Trump to show how wrong you were.

Well, cheer up! At least you don't see a cadre of sycophants following our guy around with little notebooks, jotting down his inanities, for fear of being taken out and shot.
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Old 29th May 2016, 04:01
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Here's a better one, Turbine D. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the one a regular, persistent even, commentator on the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Kim Jong-un sole proprietor, uses himself.

I use this site all the time and I can highly recommend it for its select blend of fact and insight: https://twitter.com/dprk_news?lang=de

Here's the link to that New Zealand DPRK society: https://sites.google.com/site/nzdprksociety/ Their stuff is a bit over-the-top compared to the stuff from the site John and I prefer, above; it veers too far off into the realm of woolly-minded fantasy. The site above gives a much more balanced view of North Korean reality, I find.
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Old 29th May 2016, 04:37
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I could very well imagine talks between Trump and the Little Fat Wun very rapidly running off the rails,
At least they both have funny hairstyles. ( sorry, not "styles", rather "results")
"New Zealand" and "important player on the world stage" is another grouping I can hardly wait to see.
Now, now. eep your eye on Helen Clark / UN. You may be surprised. She is a consummate Politician, so she may well "fool some of the people some of the time" and pull it off. ( just seen a re-run of The People versus O.J. Simpson, and reflect on the statement by the character playing Johnny Cochrane, the Defense lawyer -" the evidence counts for nothing, it is he who tells tells the best story to the jury that wins " )
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Old 29th May 2016, 05:26
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The idea's espoused were from this person, who would appear to have a lot more experience, and qualifications of these matters then some on this forum.
Spending too much time in DC can warp one's view as well as inform one as to how that town operates.
Trump’s high-level negotiation likely would be more successful in limiting or getting rid of North Korea’s nuclear program than past, unsuccessful lower-level U.S. bargaining with the regime over the same issue.

With U.S. forces stationed in South Korea, Kim Jong Un is paranoid of a combined, U.S.-South Korean attack on his country. The main reason that he has likely developed nuclear weapons is to deter such an attack. A President Trump speaking to him personally might ease these fears significantly.
The author is engaging in speculation, and has an agenda: his pejorative use of the term "elite" is a clue here.

As to Trump, I don't doubt that he'd be interested in seeing if he can make a deal with Kim. Making deals was his thing. Whether or not he'd be more successful than anyone else is ... speculation since he has to get China on side to get a deal made that will stick.

Unless he gets elected, this remains ... speculation.
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Old 29th May 2016, 05:50
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Ivan Eland is Senior Fellow and Director of the Center on Peace & Liberty at the Independent Institute. Dr. Eland is a graduate of Iowa State University and received an M.B.A. in applied economics and Ph.D. in national security policy from George Washington University. He spent 15 years working for Congress on national security issues, including stints as an investigator for the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Principal Defense Analyst at the Congressional Budget Office.
Well, there's a guy we can really learn from.* Has done nothing except go to school, and suck off the public teat.


* Irony, for those who missed it.
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Old 29th May 2016, 08:37
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I could very well imagine talks between Trump and the Little Fat Wun very rapidly running off the rails, and ending up with a nuclear exchange, as the insults escalated to unbelievable levels
How many would have thought an ex actor could come up with such a powerful speech and the end results of such a speech?

That afternoon, Reagan said,


We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall![11]
Who knows what the "Donald" could come up with, must be an improvement on what has been coming out of the white house from the last few incumbents.

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Old 29th May 2016, 09:45
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As to that speech:

The speech was also a source of considerable controversy within the Reagan administration itself, with several senior staffers and aides advising against the phrase, saying anything that might cause further East-West tensions or potential embarrassment to Gorbachev, with whom President Reagan had built a good relationship, should be omitted. American officials in West Germany and presidential speechwriters, including Peter Robinson, thought otherwise. Robinson traveled to West Germany to inspect potential speech venues, and gained an overall sense that the majority of West Berliners opposed the wall. Despite getting little support for suggesting Reagan demand the wall's removal, Robinson kept the phrase in the speech text. On May 18, 1987, President Reagan met with his speechwriters and responded to the speech by saying, "I thought it was a good, solid draft." White House Chief of Staff Howard Baker objected, saying it sounded "extreme" and "unpresidential," and Deputy US National Security Advisor Colin Powell agreed. Nevertheless, Reagan liked the passage, saying, "I think we'll leave it in."

Chief speechwriter Anthony Dolan gives another account of the line's origins, however, attributing it directly to Reagan. In an article published in The Wall Street Journal in November 2009, Dolan gives a detailed account of how in an Oval Office meeting that was prior to Robinson's draft Reagan came up with the line on his own. He records vivid impressions of his own reaction and Robinson's at the time. This led to a friendly exchange of letters between Robinson and Dolan over their differing accounts, which The Wall Street Journal published.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_down_this_wall!
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Old 29th May 2016, 10:15
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with several senior staffers and aides advising against the phrase, saying anything that might cause further East-West tensions or potential embarrassment to Gorbachev, with whom President Reagan had built a good relationship,
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Just goes to show what can be done when the professional politicians and their aides are disregarded. Trump is also not a professional politicianl

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Old 29th May 2016, 12:37
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I see the "Fat Wun" has an Aunt apparently in the US running a dry cleaners!

He is probably apoplectic she has been traced...
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Old 29th May 2016, 14:22
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John Hill,
Turbine D, there is an opportunity for you, visit the web site of the NZ DPRK society and post some of their stuff here, with comments of course.
You didn't answer my question, are you a member in good standing of the NZ DPKR Society?
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chuks,

Thanks for those sites! The spelling bee blurb was outstanding!
Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un dominates all opposition in first All Korea National Spelling Bee.
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Old 29th May 2016, 14:59
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That afternoon, Reagan said,
and
Who knows what the "Donald" could come up with, must be an improvement on what has been coming out of the white house from the last few incumbents.
You are confusing the issue here. Gorbachev was not the leader of a family dynasty dedicated to preserving it forever. He was a politician just as Reagan was. Have you forgotten Reagan was governor of the State of California? Reagan decided to give that speech because of his relationship with Gorbachev and his own personal judgement of the US - USSR relationship at that time. Good politicians take advise from advisors of different beliefs and then sort out the path to go down.
With the Yung Fat Un, nobody has a personal relationship with him, not China or Russia and his goal is singular, preserve the Kim Dynasty.
If you want to draw a more realistic comparison of negotiating with a maniac, consider the great negotiations that ended with the announcement of having "Peace in Our Time".
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Old 29th May 2016, 15:39
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So, has the Fat Wun produced his heir yet?

Do female offspring count?
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Old 29th May 2016, 16:26
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I have been reading this and similar threads by John Hill. I know little about the ins and outs of North Korean politics.

i remember an old contributor to these boards.Old Cross Burner.

That correspondent was very fixed in his views and never ever wavered.He was patronizing and adopted a superior attitude to those sharing the boards.

John Hill seems to be of a similar mindset. The best efforts of others to debate him seem doomed to failure.

Knock yourselves out posting here. I think you are wasting your time. He is a zealot.
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Old 29th May 2016, 17:29
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G-CPTN,
Do female offspring count?
I don't think so.
Kim Il-sung was the first dynasty leader now known as Eternal President of the Republic, I guess that means forever. He had two wives and six children. His eldest son and successor was Kim Jong-il.

Kim Jong-il became known as the Dear Leader and the Great General. He had four partners (the term wife is dubious) from which three provided five children. Of three sons, the eldest had a problem when he tried to visit Disneyland in Tokyo, he subsequently moved to China. The next eldest son's feminist characteristics and reserved personality eliminated him from the succession contest. So by default, Kim Jong-Un (Yung Fat Un) was the man of the hour.

Stay tuned for more wives and more offspring until the correct gender comes along.

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Old 29th May 2016, 18:05
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She had better be a strong girl.
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