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Old 20th May 2016, 16:49
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Surprised JH didn't mention this....

Russia targets North Korea with financial sanctions - UPI.com

Well, not really surprised, are we?
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Old 20th May 2016, 17:12
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Oh Dear!

China denies shipping marinated human flesh in cans to be sold as FOOD.

China has strenuously denied reports that it's routinely canning human flesh and selling it as food to African nations.

http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?d...te=1&p=9382802


hope you are not eating !
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Old 20th May 2016, 18:57
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Detained and interrogated for 10 hours in North Korea - BBC News
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Old 20th May 2016, 20:46
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Whatsalizard, as I have said already the answer begins with positive interaction.
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Old 20th May 2016, 21:56
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Positive interaction was tried. The fat wun's daddy didn't like that negotiation meant giving something up to get something.
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Old 21st May 2016, 01:59
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John Hill must live under a rock and be as naive as a 3 yr old, not to know and understand that the entire history of the DPRK is one of establishing and maintaining and increasing national power - and then world power - in the form of the personality cult.

One could say that the DPRK is in fact one of the largest, most effective and longest-lasting personality cults in the world.
Every other personality cult that has arisen, has demonstrated all of the same principal modus operandi, as the DPRK personality cult - pyschological pressure on members - constant lies about the evil of the world outside the cult - weapons to control cult members and prevent defection - and constant efforts to increase the power of the cult, and to constantly reinforce the power of the Leader.

The family at the centre of the DPRK cult, aided and abetted by a large number of militaristic followers, have proven themselves to be eternally devious, untrustworthy, liars on a pathological scale, as well as being constantly criminally inclined, to ensure the power of the cult and the Leader are maintained.

In other words, no-one outside the cult and its followers can have the slightest effect on the operation of the cult, as regards any efforts to contain the cult, or free its members from the grip of the current cult Leader- because of that Leader, and his backers, extreme deviousness and sociopathic tendencies.

It is of particular concern when the cult continues on a path of generating the construction of nuclear armaments, missiles, satellites and other technical and highly dangerous devices, with the stated aim of "defending itself" and "destroying opponents" - which opponents are those nations who can see through the cults deviousness and lies, and who wish to curb the cults expansion into very dangerous phases.

Despite 63 years of talks, negotiations, deals, compassionate assistance, and every other attempt at "constructive dialogue" - the simple fact remains, that even after 3 generations of the same cult family, there has not been one iota of advance or improvement in the DPRK's attitude since the end of the Korean War.

It is not because of any lack of attempts at "constructive dialogue" and concessions from the U.S., South Korea, and numerous other nations, that this situation still exists.
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Old 21st May 2016, 04:01
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Positive interaction was tried.
So try it again unless you have some better way of inducing change in the DPRK for the good.
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Old 21st May 2016, 04:16
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So try it again unless you have some better way of inducing change in the DPRK for the good.

Some people say that's the definition of insanity...
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Old 21st May 2016, 04:18
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No, insanity would be continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
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Old 21st May 2016, 04:37
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John, you really can really be (or at least act) dense. What part of trying positive interaction, again (it's been tried multiple times) doesn't qualify as
continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different outcome
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Old 21st May 2016, 07:29
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The most basic step in the establishment of communications between countries is the forming of diplomatic relations and those countries that have not done so with North Korea can hardly be seen as trying positive interaction with that country.

Obviously you are not in favour of positive interaction but your opinion is rather worthless if you do not have an alternative to propose.
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Old 21st May 2016, 08:40
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Well, who'd have thunk that? I couldn't even imagine that the Little Fat Wun would be so crooked, as to re-sell food given as aid?

Happens all the time in Africa. Yung Fat Wun is no better than your bog standard African despot so why the surprise?
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Old 21st May 2016, 09:50
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John, with regard to "positive interaction," tried and seen not to work very well with the Kims, "your opinion is [also] rather worthless if you do not have an alternative to propose."

Can you think of an alternative to that? You just come up with it again and again as the panacea, as if it had never been tried. We've given food aid, we've promised them some shiny new toys if they stopped with their secret nuke program, we've made periodic high-level visits to free various people held prisoner by the North Koreans ... pretty much every effort we have made at "positive interaction" has sooner or later been rebuffed by a negative action from North Korea.

It's kind of hard to be positive towards someone who threatens you with nuclear attack. That's a given, John, but a given you choose to overlook. Yes, it's George W. Bush who is to blame for everything that goes wrong in North Korea, not the little bastard who actually runs things there, Kim Jong-Un.

It looks as if your man in Pyongyang may experience a bit of negative interaction soon if his military gets tired of seeing various senior figures being bumped off willy-nilly, or if China gets tired of catering to the whims of this over-grown child. It will be interesting to see how you put a spin on that.
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Old 21st May 2016, 09:59
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John, you really can really be (or at least act) dense.
It's called denial, and no amount of facts or reasoning will take it away.
Huggy-fluffies are completely filled with it.
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Facts and reasoning eh? Fact is, relations between the USA and allies and the DPRK never seems to improve and in fact is always in a state of crisis while the USA and allies seem totally at a loss as to how to improve matters. Reasoning shows that if they do know how to improve matters they have no mind to do so.

Perhaps they like it like this.
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Does the dear leader Kim Fat Wun know how to improve matters in his own country?
Does he have the mind to do so?
Does he treat his own ppl worse than dogs and slaves because of the bad yanks?

Thank you for proving my point.
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Old 21st May 2016, 11:59
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Now what was your point again?
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Old 21st May 2016, 14:02
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And you keep on proving it!
Thank you but once is enough, really...
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Old 21st May 2016, 14:16
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I guess that his point was that Kim Jong-Un is not a very nice person, John. You may wish to think of him as some sort of tiny, potential reformer whose only real flaw is a tragic hairdo, but others may choose to see him as the real cause of most of the trouble experienced by North Korea.

When you continue with this "positive interaction" thing of yours, John, it tells many of us that you are overlooking an essential truth about Kim Jong-Un, that he's not a nice person so that he does not respond in a nice way to nice gestures.

I would like to read about someone having handed a bundle of posies to Dr. Mengele at the head of the ramp on arrival at Auschwitz, trusting in positive interaction to yield a better result than being sent off to be gassed. Nobody did that, so should we now complain that it was not tried, since it might well have made a big difference in the outcome?

You know how it is, John, as with Kim Jong-Un everyone just goes banging on about poor old Dr. Mengele (a very accomplished violinist by the way) being some sort of inhuman monster, a mass-murderer ... all that sort of cheap abuse, but did anyone ever try "positive interaction" in dealing with him? I guess not, not a bit of it! Now, with the Kimster, yes, of course there has been a bit of that positive stuff, not least the way your twisted and oleaginous prose seeks to massage his image a bit, but has that been "positive interaction" enough? Are you trying to tell us that we should try a lot more of that, instead of doing all these terrible war games and B-52 flypasts?

What should do the trick? The guy seems to like "things to eat," so perhaps we should send him one of these: 1964 New York World's Fair 1965 - Attractions - Wisconsin - Page Four

A new Lincoln Continental, one with a roof rack stressed for a big coffin?

A year's supply of corn-dogs?
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I guess that his point was that Kim Jong-Un is not a very nice person, John. You may wish to think of him as some sort of tiny, potential reformer whose only real flaw is a tragic hairdo, but others may choose to see him as the real cause of most of the trouble experienced by North Korea.

What should do the trick? The guy seems to like "things to eat," so perhaps we should send him one of these:
1964 New York World's Fair 1965 - Attractions - Wisconsin - Page Four

A new Lincoln Continental, one with a roof rack stressed for a big coffin?

A year's supply of corn-dogs?
Is it the personal policies of the current Kim - or are we seeing the big hats behind the leader influencing the young Wun?
The older Kims might have ameliorated the radical ideas of the big hats, whereas the young Wun lacks the experience to see the danger of such demands and could see it as a good idea to be aggressive.
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